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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 11:30 AM
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Zeroshift demo video:

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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 11:35 AM
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Why so dismissive over who gets to review a damn mule? All respectable performance sports cars must get tested at the Nurburgring, thats why the mule is there in the first place and not japan or US. And the tests will not be complete until you see the real EvoX body running circles there.
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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 12:37 PM
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This whole thing kind of bothers me. The Evo is getting more popular, so time to take it upscale? Looks heavy, expensive and hard to tune. Why can't they just de-evolve and start making the VI TME again? Give me CHEAP, LIGHT WEIGHT, and a TRIED AND TRUE MOTOR.
Couldn't agree more... Hard enough to maintain a used Evo 6 properly... far less buying a new "X."

The only thing that I want off the "X" is the new Roll Control!
No AYC... No ACD... Nothing else from the Super-All Wheel Control System...

Roll Control: Best Suspension Design In 25 Years!
http://www.zorce.com/zforums/viewtop...0ebf4280e40a22
... Put that in my E6 and ... Heaven!!!




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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 01:01 PM
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True or not true, this article is written correctly. Opinions are given mainly on the handling and performance characteristics of the mule. Then they go on to state some other features that the production X will most likely have (as have other magazine articles / sources)
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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 01:02 PM
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And I think the Evo has already done that for Mitsu over the last three years in this country. If I had a dollar for every time I read "If only the could put a little more Evo into the rest of the line up" I'd have a good down payment for a X.
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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 01:24 PM
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looks like sumthin that could compete against the legacy GT...
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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by hotrod2448
And I think the Evo has already done that for Mitsu over the last three years in this country. If I had a dollar for every time I read "If only the could put a little more Evo into the rest of the line up" I'd have a good down payment for a X.
True when one says Viper in a car sense a fair portion of the public would reconize the name. Say Lancer Evolution and they will say huh? I thought myself fairly familiar with cars and until last year had never heard of it. Heard of Lancer just like I had Corolla or Civic sure but not Lancer Evolution. A chunk of it is marketing, I have never seen an ad of any kind for an Evo nor even one is advertising for the brand at all.
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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 01:48 PM
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How many import car magazines can you pick up without there being an Evo in them? Almost everyone has something about an Evo in it every month. I know these are not mainstream car magazines ie: Car & Driver, Road & Track but, it has been in them several times and usually wins the comparo that it is in. I still think that the performance of the Evo has brought credibility back to Mitsu as far as being able to build a car that leads the competition in at least one field. That's something Mitsu hasn't been able to say in a long time. Impartial comparison goes alot further for me than ad's where you know all it is them trying to sell you this one thing.

Unfortunately Mitsu doesn't have the money to market the car the way they should. They wasted their money on bimbos dancing in cars and guys in red jump suites lining the road.
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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by nix
Couldn't agree more... Hard enough to maintain a used Evo 6 properly... far less buying a new "X."

The only thing that I want off the "X" is the new Roll Control!
No AYC... No ACD... Nothing else from the Super-All Wheel Control System...

Roll Control: Best Suspension Design In 25 Years!
http://www.zorce.com/zforums/viewtop...0ebf4280e40a22
... Put that in my E6 and ... Heaven!!!




Why are you people so afraid of change? Technology evolves, gets better, faster, lighter. If the technology wouldn't evolve we would still all be riding horses instead of automobiles. Even when EVO I came out it had a new engine and it wasn't that mod friendly at the beginning because it was NEW but over the years people got to experiment with it, no one really knew the capabilities of that engine in the beginning.
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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by blitzkrieg79
Why are you people so afraid of change?
Technology evolves, gets better, faster, lighter...
No fear of change or evolving technology at all my friend... Just increased "upmarket" cost, that's all.

Read our posts again...
Originally Posted by eevoo
This whole thing kind of bothers me. The Evo is getting more popular, so time to take it upscale?
Looks heavy, expensive and hard to tune. Why can't they just de-evolve and start making the VI TME again?
Give me CHEAP, LIGHT WEIGHT, and a TRIED AND TRUE MOTOR.
Originally Posted by nix
Couldn't agree more... Hard enough to maintain a used Evo 6 properly... far less buying a new "X."

The only thing that I want off the "X" is the new Roll Control!
No AYC... No ACD... Nothing else from the Super-All Wheel Control System...

Roll Control: Best Suspension Design In 25 Years!
http://www.zorce.com/zforums/viewtop...0ebf4280e40a22
... Put that in my E6 and ... Heaven!!!
Not everyone has the time or money to re-invent the wheel in another unending HP chase
with a new engine in 18 months. We already can get up to 1,000 HP.
IMHO it's better to have a "usable" 350+ WHP, with peak torque at or below 3,200 rpm
with great handling for the street.

I prefer the Evo 6 TME RS2 to current versions for one main reason... It works!
You get the same or better performance from the E6 than from the latest E9 IMHO.
Handling is more important to me than raw HP, and the E6 outhandles the E9...

http://www.lancerregister.com/downloadvideo.php?id=126

... and whatever you do to the 4G63 in the E9 can be done to the E6.
It's as simple as that. It's also much cheaper and lighter. E6 has a shorter wheelbase...
almost equal track... has shorter overall height... and some models (RS) are
over 200 lb lighter than an E9 with AYC.
You have to have a hell of an HP increase to compensate for an extra 200 lb.
The E10 will be better... but at what cost.
I'm not in the market for an Enzo or Lambo; or even a BMW M3.
What I want is a "pocket rocket" that will beat them all for 1/1000 the cost.

I can't ask for anything more than that. Technology is great. I love it!
I would love to add the new Roll Control to my E6; that's "Tuner Tech" IMHO...
but to pay an E 10 price for it?... No way!

My $0.02c

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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 03:05 PM
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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 07:18 PM
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Then your best bet is to keep what you have or eventually get a used 9 and mod as you please. Eventually whatever is new on the X will be worked out and tuned, it will just take some time. Then buy a 2 year old X and mod away. It's not like you have to buy new.

One of these days down the road I'll get a coupe perhaps as a second vehicle, I love coupes, always have. The Alfa Romeo Brera will be in the states in a year or two and will be priced higher than I can afford. Not a problem, I'll get one a couple of years old with low mileage.
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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 07:27 PM
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True enough I'm sure if I looked back through my C&D's I'd find some comparos, probably just didn't register. Marketing serves more than just selling the latest flavor of the month it builds awareness in the general public. Merely making the public aware of the evo and just a few short quotes from all the good reviews of the car would make a difference I think.

I'm sure Mitsu is focusing it's money on what it can sell in volume as that is were your large money comes in but then there is not anything particularly spectacular about it's lineup except for the evo. In my mind if you have something good that people are unaware of (not enthusiasts of course) then you should get the word out. Might help to build a few more of them too so you can buy them under MSRP at most dealerships.
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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by hotrod2448
How many import car magazines can you pick up without there being an Evo in them? Almost everyone has something about an Evo in it every month. I know these are not mainstream car magazines ie: Car & Driver, Road & Track but, it has been in them several times and usually wins the comparo that it is in. I still think that the performance of the Evo has brought credibility back to Mitsu as far as being able to build a car that leads the competition in at least one field. That's something Mitsu hasn't been able to say in a long time. Impartial comparison goes alot further for me than ad's where you know all it is them trying to sell you this one thing.

Unfortunately Mitsu doesn't have the money to market the car the way they should. They wasted their money on bimbos dancing in cars and guys in red jump suites lining the road.

How can you say that Mitsubishi didn't built competetive cars (especially in motorsports). Before Lancer Evo I there was Galant VR-4, there was Starion, then there was 3000GT, and who can beat Montero/Pajero off road??? Mitsubishi has a tradition of building driver cars/sports cars, it's just that their marketing team basically sucks, from bad/lack of advertising to coming up with 0 payments for 12 months 0% down 0% financing schemes...

And I am more than sure that Mitsubishi wasn't the only company hiding recalls, they just got caught and others didn't yet. Besides, Toyota and Honda also built a couple of lemons, they also have recalls, their cars are also in shops...

Pretty much Mitsus marketing department is definately lacking (marketing dept was also responsible for Americanizing the Eclipse, and the new Galant which IMO looks a lot worse than previous generation)

And with current Mitsubishi lineup (maybe except for Evo but that car is soon to be replaced anyway, Eclipse, and Endevour) I wouldn't waste money on advertising as the current crop of cars plain simply isn't too pretty, if I were them I would release the new Outlander, Lancer, Lancer Evo, and their minivan Grandis in USA ASAP. And why the hell do we get a rebadged Dakota truck instead of the cool looking L200 that just came out in Europe?

Mitsubishis getting away from the Daimler Chrysler group was the best thing that could have happened for Mitsu as it can now design whatever they want without any limitations.

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Old Mar 11, 2006 | 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by nix
I'm not in the market for an Enzo or Lambo; or even a BMW M3.
What I want is a "pocket rocket" that will beat them all for 1/1000 the cost.
That would be the Forced Fed Turbo Elise with their upcoming 400hp Race 400 package.

http://www.forcedfed.com/elise.html

Mmmmmm.... power-to-weight ratio equal to a McLaren F1....
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