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Old Mar 11, 2006 | 02:49 AM
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Well it show's that the X's price will be £35,000 which is $60,416.70. I dont know how much they will actually go for in the states but its going to be more than the $27-$36k that the current models are going for.
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Old Mar 11, 2006 | 06:57 AM
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How can you say that Mitsubishi didn't built competetive cars (especially in motorsports). Before Lancer Evo I there was Galant VR-4, there was Starion, then there was 3000GT, and who can beat Montero/Pajero off road??? Mitsubishi has a tradition of building driver cars/sports cars, it's just that their marketing team basically sucks, from bad/lack of advertising to coming up with 0 payments for 12 months 0% down 0% financing schemes...

And I am more than sure that Mitsubishi wasn't the only company hiding recalls, they just got caught and others didn't yet. Besides, Toyota and Honda also built a couple of lemons, they also have recalls, their cars are also in shops...

Pretty much Mitsus marketing department is definately lacking (marketing dept was also responsible for Americanizing the Eclipse, and the new Galant which IMO looks a lot worse than previous generation)

And with current Mitsubishi lineup (maybe except for Evo but that car is soon to be replaced anyway, Eclipse, and Endevour) I wouldn't waste money on advertising as the current crop of cars plain simply isn't too pretty, if I were them I would release the new Outlander, Lancer, Lancer Evo, and their minivan Grandis in USA ASAP. And why the hell do we get a rebadged Dakota truck instead of the cool looking L200 that just came out in Europe?

Mitsubishis getting away from the Daimler Chrysler group was the best thing that could have happened for Mitsu as it can now design whatever they want without any limitations.

WTF? Where did I say that? All I said was that Mitsu hasn't built a car that leads in the performance category in a long time. When were the last years of production for the 3000GT, Starion, VR-4 in this country? It's been a while right?
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Old Mar 11, 2006 | 07:07 AM
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WTF? Where did I say that? All I said was that Mitsu hasn't built a car that leads in the performance category in a long time. When were the last years of production for the 3000GT, Starion, VR-4 in this country? It's been a while right?
Yes sir. It has been quite a while.
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Old Mar 11, 2006 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by blitzkrieg79
How can you say that Mitsubishi didn't built competetive cars (especially in motorsports). Before Lancer Evo I there was Galant VR-4, there was Starion, then there was 3000GT, and who can beat Montero/Pajero off road???
True, but only the Evo and Pajero have been winners. And only the Pajero is currently a winner because of its Dakar Rally dominance. Mitsu hasn't had a strong showing in WRC in quite some time. But even if they did, that means diddly poo to most mainstream American buyers. The FTO and GTO never had much of a showing in JGTC.

Mitsubishi has a tradition of building driver cars/sports cars, it's just that their marketing team basically sucks, from bad/lack of advertising to coming up with 0 payments for 12 months 0% down 0% financing schemes...
No argument tere. The current co-CEO Harunari and his team were the ones that turned Mitsubishi around in Europe. They had stellar results there so now hopefully the can do the same for the U.S.

And I am more than sure that Mitsubishi wasn't the only company hiding recalls, they just got caught and others didn't yet. Besides, Toyota and Honda also built a couple of lemons, they also have recalls, their cars are also in shops...
I agree. It kinda like college football. Some teams get caught paying athletes, others don't. But you just know they all do it. I'm sure politics plays a big role.

Pretty much Mitsus marketing department is definately lacking (marketing dept was also responsible for Americanizing the Eclipse, and the new Galant which IMO looks a lot worse than previous generation)
The Eclipse has always been americanized, because it has always been an American only model. I realize a few cars are exported to Japan, but only in small numbers. So complaining about it being softened for our market is silly IMO. Especially since so called JDM tyte coupes like the Prelude, Celica, and soon the RSX are no longer on the market. The 9G Galant was a big disapointment. I think the corporate nose was the hardest on it then any other model.

And why the hell do we get a rebadged Dakota truck instead of the cool looking L200 that just came out in Europe?
Because the current tariff on imported trucks makes bringing in the L200 cost prohibitive. They think it is too small for our market. I think it would be better to have a back to basicis small truck that undercuts everybody's bigger is better midsized/fullsized trucks in pricing. But, it is too late and they are learning the hard way.

shis getting away from the Daimler Chrysler group was the best thing that could have happened for Mitsu as it can now design whatever they want without any limitations.
Mitsu was always the one designing the chasiss and the bodies and it was Chyrsler who borrowed from them for their small and midsized cars. I am glad people will no longer be able to say Chrysler owns Mitsu (which they never did wholly, but that's just how things get twisted), so from a marketing perception standpoint, it is a good thing, but it won't change the way the two companies work together.

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Old Mar 11, 2006 | 08:22 AM
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Good post GPTourer.
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Old Mar 11, 2006 | 10:51 AM
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The UK mistsu site says early 2008.
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Old Mar 11, 2006 | 11:28 AM
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so if they only make the 9 for one year. I guess it will be fairly rare?
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Old Mar 11, 2006 | 12:06 PM
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A good local source told me that the Evo IX will cease production at the end of the normal model year. There will then be a model year where NO new Evos are being produced. Then in the 08 model year (in 2007) the X will arrive.
That goes along with what I was thinking, since I am pretty sure the 4G63 does not pass MY2007 emissions requirements, nor the old Lancer body can pass the crash ratings either. So since the X is not ready, no '07 Evos period. Or at least, not until halfway through caledar year 2007. I'd rather them announce it as an early '08 model and skip '07, rather then as a really late MY07.
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Old Mar 11, 2006 | 03:17 PM
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Here we go again
It will probably be around $37,000 to $40,000 for the X
you can't compare exactly the currency conversion to what they pay in the UK, that price in the UK is including TAX, title and road fund liscence. TAX (VAT) is 17.5% which is already inclusive of the price.
The X will as I said above, be around $37,000 to $40,000.
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Old Mar 11, 2006 | 05:06 PM
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This info from LancerRegister has date similar to UK website for UK arrival.

Evo X - UK Arrival
During a recent meeting with Paul Brigden, Ralliart General Manager for Mitsubishi Motors UK, we naturally got onto the subject of the EvoX and its arrival in the UK.

EvoX will not start production until August 2007 and as the initial cars will all be destined for the Japanese home market, the UK do not anticipate receiving any allocation until September 2007 at the earliest (if demand is high in Japan, this may be put back to late 2007).

Once in the country the car(s) will require ESVA, Product Liability testing and also undergo testing for “FQ” upgrades, all of which means that the first cars will probably be available in first Quarter of 2008. Mitsubishi Motors UK hope January but cannot guarantee anything until production schedules have been confirmed.
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Old Mar 11, 2006 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by GPTourer
True, but only the Evo and Pajero have been winners. And only the Pajero is currently a winner because of its Dakar Rally dominance. Mitsu hasn't had a strong showing in WRC in quite some time. But even if they did, that means diddly poo to most mainstream American buyers. The FTO and GTO never had much of a showing in JGTC.



No argument tere. The current co-CEO Harunari and his team were the ones that turned Mitsubishi around in Europe. They had stellar results there so now hopefully the can do the same for the U.S.



I agree. It kinda like college football. Some teams get caught paying athletes, others don't. But you just know they all do it. I'm sure politics plays a big role.



The Eclipse has always been americanized, because it has always been an American only model. I realize a few cars are exported to Japan, but only in small numbers. So complaining about it being softened for our market is silly IMO. Especially since so called JDM tyte coupes like the Prelude, Celica, and soon the RSX are no longer on the market. The 9G Galant was a big disapointment. I think the corporate nose was the hardest on it then any other model.



Because the current tariff on imported trucks makes bringing in the L200 cost prohibitive. They think it is too small for our market. I think it would be better to have a back to basicis small truck that undercuts everybody's bigger is better midsized/fullsized trucks in pricing. But, it is too late and they are learning the hard way.



Mitsu was always the one designing the chasiss and the bodies and it was Chyrsler who borrowed from them for their small and midsized cars. I am glad people will no longer be able to say Chrysler owns Mitsu (which they never did wholly, but that's just how things get twisted), so from a marketing perception standpoint, it is a good thing, but it won't change the way the two companies work together.
Well I guess I agreee with most of your statements here I have to say that the Daimler Chrysler group kind of influenced the current Mitsu styling cues and they also didn't allow certain car models (Grandis) to be released in the US market as it would interfere with their competing lines most notably Dodge Caravan.

And probablythe only reason DaimlerChrysler helped "design" Raider was that pretty much Dodge gets most of the money from Raider sales anyway as it is a rebaged Dakota.

And another bad example of their Marketin/PR department was the timing of Raider release when GM was on the factory employee discount spree... Raider isn't selling at all... Good thing at least is that it didn't cost Mitsu a lot of R&D money to design that car as it basically is a Dodge Dakota with different clothing...

SO again, I think that the best thing that could've happend to Mitsu is getting dumped by DaimlerChrysler group...

Basically Mitsu needs to lose the current lineup (Except for Eclipse and Endevour) ASAP and start with something totally new and refreshing. Kind of what Mazda did starting with the release of Mazda 3 & 6...

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Old Mar 12, 2006 | 08:39 AM
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Thanks, hotrod.
Originally Posted by blitzkrieg79
Well I guess I agreee with most of your statements here I have to say that the Daimler Chrysler group kind of influenced the current Mitsu styling cues and they also didn't allow certain car models (Grandis) to be released in the US market as it would interfere with their competing lines most notably Dodge Caravan.
I really don't think DCX influenced Mitsu styling. Mitsu has always had their own design studio in Cali, but I can't pove or disporve that. As far as the Grandis - it was never designed to meet our crash standards so I doubt they could just have brought it over. Plus it is not a minivan in the traditional sense. IF you can remember the old 1G Honda Odyssey, it had four big doors like a tall sedan. Well, they still do this on the JDM Ody. The one we get here is the sliding door American style van built here just for this market. The Grandis is made like a tall wagon and thus, probably wouldn't do well in America. Mitsu does not have the money or means to redesign and build such a vehicle for this market. Although I agree it looks really really good.

Maybe DCX asked them not to try to enter the minivan market as some sort of condition - fair enough, but it was never on the table to do anyway. We heard a rumor now and again that we would get a rebadged Caravan. We also heard that when the Montero was to be cancelled in 2006, it would come back in 2007 as a rebadged Durango. They also put a Mercedes 4.3L V8 under the current Montero's hood a couple of years ago, but cancelled that before it got going. So yes, there probably is some boardroom politics going on that keeps Mitsu from branching out into new markets, but that is probably over now.

And another bad example of their Marketin/PR department was the timing of Raider release when GM was on the factory employee discount spree... Raider isn't selling at all...
They could not forsee the employee discount thing coming. It just happened and took the whole industry by suprise and we are still seeing the fallout of it. Honda's Ridgeline got blindsided by the exact same problem and despite its "Truck of the Year" award and many other accolades, it isn't selling well either.

SO again, I think that the best thing that could've happend to Mitsu is getting dumped by DaimlerChrysler group...
Agreed.

Basically Mitsu needs to lose the current lineup (Except for Eclipse and Endevour) ASAP and start with something totally new and refreshing. Kind of what Mazda did starting with the release of Mazda 3 & 6...
The 10G Galant is going to be a world car and on a new platform and should be a lot better. But they should not dump the name as it is older then Accord and Camry. Lancer is also just as old a name and hopefully next years model will be exemplary. If they add the Colt and bring back the Montero some day, they can have a solid lineup with names that people all over the world recognize.

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Old Mar 12, 2006 | 10:45 AM
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The Evo X will be released first quater 2008 in the FQ form so have a long wait

Have heard it will be around £35000 so starting to save already
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Old Mar 12, 2006 | 10:17 PM
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Lol, yes I have a nice career. By the time the ten and the Skyline come around I will be making over 100,000 a year, with very few expenses because I'm only 18. I know your going to flame me because you don't believe that An 18 year-old could possibly make that much, legally, at least, but yes, it's possible.
So you will be 20 by the time the skyline gets here and make over 100,000 a year, sure. You are barely starting college don't be so ambitious. And please what is this so called career you are mentioning that will pay you over 100k in two years. I haven't heard of such a career that will pay you that much that early at your age. Unless you have rich folks that are giving you their business at such a young age then I'll believe you.
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Old Mar 13, 2006 | 02:38 AM
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The current STi as well as the WRX... well they don't seem to respond worth a damn to mods but with the two new cars comming out, we all wonder what's in store.
Where did you get that nonsense from? I swear some of you get some anti Subaru brainwashing when you buy your Evo.

There is plenty talk of what the new Impreza might look like. However, since Subaru is keeping a tight lip on things (Mitsubishi is not), and this is an Evo forum, it's not talked about as much as the Concept X is.
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