probably will be the tranmission of choice inthe future whether we like it or not, plus the DSG in the VW is pretty good

 

My last car was an M3 with SMG and I would not want SMG on an EVO. SMG on a turbocharged small displacement car would be dicey. However a DSG system like on the Audi A3 and VW GTI might be quite good because if it were properly engineered it would allow the driver to stay in boost at all times without a drop even when shifting. I think SMG is a fantastic system, there is nothing like a smooth upshift or downshift while in the middle of a big sweeper.. that's not something you can safely or easily do in a manual trans car. But it would not do well on an EVO, SMG is really ideal for naturally aspirated cars.

They left it out because it would have required a redesign to get it to fit under the car. Once the V8 M3 is out and they switch the Z4 M cars to the V8 engine it'll likely have SMG3. The "fad" isn't going anywhere.

 

I've never driven a vehicle equiped with paddle shifting, but I think it would be fun to drive.

 

I don't understand how you can say an SMG is really ideal for NA engines. Where's the correlation between transmission and the way the engine breaths? All an SMG does is shifts gears faster and more precise than a true manual. That's all it does. An SMG doesn't care or even have knowledge if the engine it's tied to uses FI or NA. It just takes the input force from the engine, sends it through some gear ratios, and routes that power to the wheels. If your gear ratios are so poorly chosen as to drop you out of boost, then you have a problem in the gear ratios chosen, not the way the transmission shifts gears.

Just as a side note, it would take a drop of 5k rpms on an upshift to drop the EVO out of boost. 5k!!! That's like a 1st to 4th shift. I highly doubt that any manufacturer would string together gear ratios that would drop 5k rpms on each upshift.

 

People always discuss doing group buys on tires or performance parts. How about if we band together and only buy our Evo X's from certain dealers at set prices? It would be a price that most dealers wouldn't match on one car, but they'd be willing to match on five sales at the same time.

I live in Chicago. I could hook up with another guy from Chicagoland, a guy from Indiana, one from Michigan and one from Wisconsin or Ohio. We could approach dealers in the midwest and say, "All of us want to buy cars this month and we want to pay $X" Wouldn't a dealer be willing to cut a deal on five cars together?

We can arrange our own separate financing. This would be multiple sales from the same salesman. He might make a lower margin, but selling 4-5 at a time would make up for it. He can sell cars at his regular margin to people (suckers) who don't know about Evom.

Maybe the dealer doesn't have enough cars for all of us in stock. I'd be willing to wait for a car to get ordered if I knew I was getting a rock bottom price.

What do you think?

 

May work but good luck getting everyone there and having everyone get a evo. So what Mitsu dealers you work at

 

No way, do you think everybody who is going to buy one is a member on here, let alone they all care about price?

Scorke

 

I think that we first need to find out more about the X and what the price is gonna be. Your idea would sound good if we lived in a perfect world, but the only way to find out if it would work is to try it. In the mean time I think I'll just settle for a IX.

 

Competition drives prices down, your idea does not seem very realistic. But for isolated instances like you mentioned the five guys buying cars, I'm sure you could cut a good deal, but you'd all have to buy at the same time, not over the course of a month. You would also have to consider trade-ins, financing, etc. Might be a little too complex to make it happen IMO.

 

uhhh... supply and demand dictates price. You cannot artifically set a "price ceiling".

Also, if there's less demand the price should natually drop anyways...and same reasoning goes with the dealers...if there's super high demand, why would he sell to you at a lower margin when he knows he can sell it at sticker or above sticker? He'll jump ship from this idea as well.

Just let the invisible hand of the market set the price, it's the most efficient for both consumers and producers. Your idea is the basis of communism...which in theory works in a perfect world, but human instincts overrides it everytime.

 

exactly how i feel about this...

i drove the rx8 with paddles and it made me want to puke all over the nice interior.

atuomatic with gear selection blows. sequential f1 trans like bmw and ferrari would be cool. either way i think it should be an option.

 

If the Evo X was Paddle Shift only I would look for an IX. If manual cars go out like the dinosaurs in general i will buy used till i die.

 

 

There is logic when shifting a turbocharged car with a stick and clutch pedal that you can apply that you wouldn't be able to with SMG. Sometimes even in its fastest shift modes it shifts slowly and awkwardly with a long delay between gears, and would result in a big RPM drop as it doesn't always rev match that well on downshifts and can lag on upshifts as well.. that's a killer on a small displacement turbo car where staying in boost is so important. With DSG's seamless shifts there'd be no drop in boost on shifts and that would be solid gold.

Even in higher displacement turbo cars like the Porsche 997TT and the beastly Veyron a DSG box is used. Porsche uses a stick and tiptronic in the TT now but their DSG box will be out in a year or two.

 

Yes i agree...they should offer it as an option...i think it would be nice to have a paddle shift in an evo...you know how they say, you cant knock it till you try it...i for one would like to see how good it is...