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Old Mar 16, 2006 | 11:29 AM
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Ummm, it will be slow in the begining but the direct inject actually allows the fuel to combust more completely. It also decreases knock, increases fuel economy, and creates more torque. Hope that helps your understanding.
Yeah and even more importantly you get the extra torque down low in the RPM range. and keep strong though the rev range. The new GTI for example has full torque at just 1800 RPMs.
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Old Mar 16, 2006 | 11:36 AM
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I don't want GDI at all. If they really do retain the 4G63, I will buy an Evo X.
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Old Mar 16, 2006 | 01:52 PM
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Here is an article about Direct Injection from auto week.


GENEVA -- German carmakers are bringing gasoline direct injection technology to the United States.

Audi hit the market first and will be followed closely by BMW. But Mercedes-Benz will wait for wider availability of low-sulfur fuel.

Gasoline direct injection systems improve combustion by spraying fuel directly into the combustion chamber instead of into a port in the cylinder head, which is the system used in most gasoline-powered cars.

German carmakers are optimistic that the technology will boost fuel economy. One expert estimates that a 15 percent fuel-economy gain would make the technology viable.

Audi offers direct injection on these models sold in America: A3, A4, A6, A8 and Q7. "The goal is to switch to direct injection across the entire lineup," said Audi spokesman Josef Schlossmacher.

BMW will launch gasoline direct injection in Europe next month in the 3-series coupe. BMW will debut it in North America later this year. BMW showed a 3.0-liter, twin-turbocharged V-6 with gasoline direct injection at the Geneva auto show. "We will deliver this engine worldwide," said Klaus Borgmann, director of powertrain development for BMW in Munich.

But the CLS 350 CGI that Mercedes-Benz showed at Geneva won't go on sale yet in the United States because fuels there don't have consistently low sulfur content, company officials said. Extra sulfur creates noxious emissions.

The Pontiac Solstice GXP, due this August, will be the first car from a U.S. automaker with gasoline direct injection.

Tom Bauer, business development manager for Siemens VDO's powertrain gasoline systems group in Newport News, Va., said direct injection offers "three things - fuel economy, emissions and power or torque." Siemens supplies direct injection systems for several automakers, including Audi and BMW.

Juergen Gerhhardt, a Robert Bosch AG senior vice president in Stuttgart, said about 1 million vehicles with gasoline direct injection were produced worldwide in 2005. That will triple by 2010, he predicted. Bosch is the largest supplier of direct injection systems. It made the system on the Mercedes CLS shown at Geneva.

Richard Parry-Jones, Ford Motor Co.'s global chief technical officer, said gasoline direct injection has to achieve a 15 percent improvement over current gas engines to make economic sense.

But Parry-Jones is optimistic: "We're at a tipping point. I think it (gasoline direct injection) will increasingly be deployed."
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Old Mar 16, 2006 | 11:06 PM
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I want the DSG/SMG/whatever too! Super quick manual shifting coupled with automatic convenience...all with no torque robbing slush converter...I don't see a down side till you need a new clutch and you have to find someone that knows what they are doing...
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Old Mar 16, 2006 | 11:07 PM
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sign me up for a DSG
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 07:16 AM
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Just got the Mazdaspeed 6, which has GDI, Turbo is mounted on back side of engine between firewall, so far I am thoroughly impressed with the car.
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by blonde
sign me up for a DSG
+1! Well, that's if it's cheap enough to get
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 10:18 AM
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The DSG on teh new VW GTI/GLI is actually very, very nice. I like it a lot better than the trans in the M3
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 10:35 AM
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any exterior changes?
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Sleeper2G
the premo model with the paddle shift is going to be way more than 35k, they are moving it up to compete with the M3 market
I hope not, I think they will have a really hard time pushing a $50k Evo stateside. Like when VW tried to compete with Mercedes and BMW high end models with the Phaeton. $90k VW?!

If the system is like the twin clutch DSG system that would be a good thing. I test drove an A3 with DSG for a few hours and I really liked the way it shifted. Better than the M3 SMG. But I would plead that they still have a manual as an option.
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Paperchasin
any exterior changes?
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Paperchasin
any exterior changes?
Nope
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Samdiver74
Just got the Mazdaspeed 6, which has GDI, Turbo is mounted on back side of engine between firewall, so far I am thoroughly impressed with the car.

Did you get the AWD version. How do you like it so far? I'm thinking of picking one up as a daily driver.
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 05:43 PM
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Pretty sure the MS6 is only AWD. It's like 70% of an Evo.
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 05:51 PM
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Instead of trying to figure out if this article is BS or not, why dont you guys call it a "rumor"?

So sick of that "BS or not" crap.
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