Mitsubishi has clearly hit thier upclass mature demographic with the X as evidenced by your apparent passion on the topic and obvious maturity.

Particularly amusing to me as you niether own an Evo nor ever seen or driven a X.

From the pics I've seen I think the X looks great probably "better" than the 8-9, the entire car is probably "better", but the direction and intent of the car have gone in a direction that does not interest me. Now the new STI on the other hand... Oh the irony.

 

you're calling me immature for calling someone who made a moronic comment an idiot. that doesn't even make sense. we're here to talk about cars, and all of my posts have been well appointed with facts from the most recent road tests. the fact that I don't have an evo, but rather an STi, is completely irrelivant.

 

hey has anyone seen the latest issue of car and driver? there's a pretty good article on the new car. btw, does anyone know why the launch evo x gsr's don't have the options available from the japanese brochure? I mean, the evo gsr in japan has a really badass option called the high performance package, which includes the bilstein shocks, the two piece front brake rotors, and bbs wheels from the MR. Yet every dealer I have talked to says either that they don't know what packages are being offered and that they can't spec out any orders yet, or that they CAN spec out the orders, but the only available options are the sight, sound and spoiler package. No leather trim package, no high performance package, no premium package, etc...ALL OF WHICH ARE OFFERED IN JAPAN. I have already placed an order with my local dealer, the one who actually said that he has the option to spec it out right now, and I have a white GSR with the sight, sound, and spoiler package, along with the GPS communications system, which he says that he thinks that he can get since it's an option on the lancer base model, but that it's not official that it will be available for the evo x, which it definitely is in japan. So, WTF?!?! Are we getting short changed here in the states AGAIN? I mean the MR will have all of the options that I want, but I don't want the paddle shifter transmission, I want the 5 speed. So what am I going to do. The sales manager at the dealership says that he's only getting 2 for the entire month of January, and possibly all of February as well. He also said that the entire country is only getting 4500 for the entire year, which means that availability will be extremely limited. I mean I want to get one as soon as it comes out and be one of the first, but if they start offering the packages that I want like 2 months after I buy mine then I'll be kicking myself in the *** for not waiting. But, I don't want to wait 2 months thinking that that's going to happen and then have it turn out that they aren't going to offer those options until the end of 08, and that all the current models are sold out. Ugh!!! Any ideas or sugestions?

 

No, sorry chris, but the evo shares a couple of body panels with the base lancer. That's where the similarities stop. The chassis is reinforced for the evo, the engine is not just the same motor with a turbo slapped on it. The internals are all different in the evo. The pistons are low compression, forged, along with the crank being forged, the rods, the mivec system very different, the cams are different, the motor is built from the inside out to make big power. The suspension is completely different, the awd system incorporated all kinds of limited slip differentials, and electronic craziness. So, it's a completely different car than your lancer. The lancer is still a good car, and someone made a point earlier that the lancer base model is cheaper than the impreza base model because it doesn't have awd, which I agree with completely. The cars are very similar in build quality, and the lancer is definitely NOT a pos. However...don't think it's an EVO either, or even close to one. I met a kid with an OZ edition lancer, and he thought that his motor had more potential than the evo's motor because he had 2.4 L instead of 2.0. What I tried to explain to him was everything that I stated above, plus the fact that the heads flow substantially more, etc, but he just didn't get it. Don't be that guy, please, Don't be that guy.

 

Oh nah, i understand all of that. I just didnt want ppl saying the base lancer was a POS. Cause if we did have AWD it would be a much diff. story. But it's all good. I guess I mostly was referring to or thinking about the exterior - a lot of people (whether they know what an actual evo looks like or not) confuse my car w/ an evo at times. Yah i'll get flamed for that one, but they DO have a similiar build esp. when you through on the wing. Anyways, im out. ha Ooh i noticed u live in Atlanta, i visit pretty often . ill be there next weekend.

 

Actually, They are more similar than the Evo guys let on. After My 03 OZ rally edition, the Evo IX felt like an old friend. Much better performance but still the same car for the most part. I wish I still had my OZ for a second car. It was nice and it got good gas mileage...

I think the Evo X will be even more similar to the base model.

 

Yeah, thast one thing that I personally think is good - the Evo x's body being so close to the base. Cause the evo fans who ain't got the evo cash, can buy the fenders, hoods, etc. and have an evo essentially on the exterior.

 

^yeah but if they do that, they end up paying an extra 5K anyway, so why not go for a RA, or put it to mods

also if they do, u still will be able to pick up minor variances

 

they wouldnt be able to pull off the widened rear sides and possiby the rear bumper tho

 

no offense, but this is ridiculous. first off, why would the new evo be more similar to the base than past models. the new evo has even more additions to the already crazy awd system and suspension than ever before. and second, why are we talking about people making a base lancer "look" like an evo, as if that's cool. I mean the base lancer is fine and everything, but it's no evo, no more than a 2.5 RS is an STi. just let the car be what it is. I mean, you could probably buy a kit car Ferrari and make it look like an f430 with a honda civic motor hidden under the hood, but that's just not cool, sorry. I'm not badmouthing the base model lancer, but if you want an evo, spend the money on one, and if you can't afford one, then just be content with your lancer, which is a good car.

 

^^^ +1

 

I'm glad they concentrated on making the car handle better, because horsepower is relatively cheap and easy. A simple ECU flash and TBE + BC would give everybody back the couple of tenths they are complaining about losing in straight line speed. And I am only talking lightly modded Evos, please. How many Evo owners "improve" (read: screw up) their stock handling with sloppy mad tyte lowering springs and other bits? I'd do much rather have a more improved suspension handled by the engineers and concetrate first and foremost on power. That's what most people want first anyway.

 

True, and that's something that the X was designed for, great handling plus SST. I believe the 5Speed is an just afterthought to appease the luddites. And I agree with you the moment someone gets lowering springs the car's handling is fuc-ked. Why do people do this, to look pretty? That's lame. Unless you drop five grand and properly tune your suspension don't mess with it.
It's like throwing your money away on octane boosters when all they do is neg your performance by -2%. And yeah that's proven.

 

** nevermind - retard alert **

 

THE NEW X LOOKS NICE BUT IT IS TOO HIGH OFF THE GROUND And that always implies econo box to me... when you thing super car or sports car you think low to the ground and wide stance.. not tall an narrow... Car companies and their ad agancies know this cause any time you see a glamor shot of a car in an ad it is always lower than the one you see on the dealers lot...