guys to be honest i'm just happy they will still be making the car. in reality the new evo will be competing in the general market, not just the enthusiast market. mitsu has been loosing sales for years due to the poor interior and gaudy exterior (i love it but..) of the evo. the new V8 M3, twin turbo 330i, new 350 Z, infiniti gtr, etc will own the market unless the evo has a bit of refinement and more than anything...

progression, the evo needs car magazines to be raving about it, about whats different. hell i don't care if the changes change nothing, as long as people are talking about it and mitsu gets their ***** back.

i'm sure a lot of people can relate: it sucks being a college student right now. give me two more years and i could buy a 9 and love it. i can't though cause of school and i don't want a used turbo car. this is just torture, i need the evo to live!

 

I was reading a comparison of the new wrx and mazda speed 3 and they chose the fwd mazda over the wrx. I have also seen the covered up ralliart, i'll try to find the magazine and scan it.

But back on topic I doubt mitsu would make less of a car, especially the evo. If they do I like the new supra.

nm found this thread with a quick search regarding the ralliart: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...9&page=1&pp=15

 

It was introduced in 06'. Subaru is planning a major redesign of the Impreza line with the 08' model year

 

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It's a good reason for sure.. they're changing the engine for cost reasons, not for performance reasons. Same thing as why WRXs use the 2.5 block instead of the 2.0. The 2.0 is simply more expensive (in countries where both are available). Mitsubishi isnt exactly a financially healthy company.

 

You guys need to remember that an aluminum block will improve the balance of the car. The current Evos are nose-heavy. Anything to improve the weight balance is a welcomed improvement. BTW, the Starion/Conquest sold in Japan had 4G63s, not the agricultural G54Bs they were sold with here. The engine has been improved over the years, but it is old. The improvements were mainly in the cylinder head. And it has had its share of bad times, like the crank-walk issues with the 2nd gen Eclipses. Engineers learn from all this when they design a new engine.

Just for comparison, GM has used the pushrod V6 (3100, 3400, 3800, 4300) since Moses was in diapers. It is a very smooth running, robust engine, and when turbocharged (Buick GNX, T-Type, etc.), it was a beast, but that's because it's been refined over it's 40+ years in the market. It's still an old design that needed to go, and a lot of people welcomed the current 3.6 VVT DOHC V6 engines that replaced them. Or when Honda killed the B-series engines to start production of the K-series. The '02 Si was a dog, not because the engines were bad, but because for our market, it had the low-revving, bread-and-butter K20, not the high-revving version used in the RSX/Integra and the JDM Type-R Civic. But the new Si addresses those issues.

So relax. The Evo is getting better.

 

If Mitsu really wanted to save money then why develop a new engine at all, afterall they do have 4G63, just modify it to satisfy current emission standards. Tell me why companies such as Mercedes, BMW, or Ferrari use aluminum block engines, to save cost? Those are companies that design best of the best high-end engines where money is not an issue as people who buy them have plenty of it anyway. Aluminum is more expensive than iron/steel.

 

The development cost was spread between three companies. DCX and Hyundai chipped in majorly.

Maybe that isn't possible. OR maybe that would cost more then just starting with a clean sheet paper and doing it the right way.

 

F- the 4g63 make a 6G63, put in with the frame and put a twin turbo! FTW
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The engine model number went beyond such designation. It's up to 6g75 and 78, unless pimping the idea of a 2 liter 6 banger w/ no TQ and power it w/ turbos.





The switching to a different motor is defintily not a good thing. Like said before, I believe that its going to be the same situation as the 2nd gen eclipse to the 3rd gen eclipse. The second gen turbo eclipse was the **** car to have. 4g63 turbo! Then ****ing it up with the 3rd gen eclipse. Now, the evo is the new car to have. 4g63 turbo! Repalcing the engine good be bad news. History tends to repeat itself. Buy your evo 8 or 9 4g63 while they last, becuase its very hard right now to find a good 2nd gen eclipse turbo. Soon, the 4g63 turbo evo will be lost.
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Mitsu had to kill the G63 in lesser cars in order to promote the top dog Evo coming to US shores.

I still don't see the hype over the 2g, rather go for the 1g and work my way up with some modern 2g stuff.


W/ the intro of the 4G69, 4G94 (block can't get any bigger w/o redesigning it), and 6G78, I think these engines are on their last leg. If Mitsu was smart and follow the past trends of Big 3, they should start making crate 4G6x and price them COMPETITIVELY . . . the Big 3 makes extra money off their crate. The G63 has a lot of loyal following and ignoring them is like the Big 3 is willingly cease to produce crate motors for those garage tuners.

 

How would they price them competitvely when you can buy built shortblocks from the likes of Buschur and AMS for $2500?

More then likely they'd cost more from Mitsu and I don't think many people are going to buy them. If you are a DSMer with a big bankroll (and we all know most of us are ) you can go to Magnus or Fast Foward and pay 9, 10, maybe even 14 grand for a dream setup.

The reason they don't do crate engines is because the standard 4G63 block is the racing block. There need not be a Bowtie, Mopar racing, Ford Racing version for those who want more power. Both the stock block and stock crank have seen over 1000hp, and there's still plenty laying around in the junkyards of America and Japan.

Maybe you can contact Ralliart and see if they'll build you a WRC or Group N spec shortblock. Probably run about 20 grand.

 

Mitsu can sell them competitively by cranking them out of the factory under 1000 units a year. Mitsu gotta have sold 1 or 2g DSMs (not base or 420a clones) over 1000 a year during its lifespan for each year, not limited in production number like the Evo. Then again, I may have grossly overrated the sales of DSMs.

Well, I'm thinking basic short block, not built-up motors. It's up to the owner to mold his creation to whatever dreams that he/she has in his/her mind.



contact Ralliart = no US distributor = high S&H and import taxation once it reaches our shores. Besides, who wants to deal w/ customs agents in this climate of fear?

 

I am already starting to save for an X, but I won't be buying the first year its out. Let them ork out some of the bugs, and to see if it is better. Which I am pretty sure it will be, as they plan to put "a little evo in every car" according to what I remember from car magazines. If they are banking that much on the evo X design I'm sure it will be up to snuff. The only real problem I could think of is that they will have TOO much computer control of the car. That might be a pain in the *** to tune around. But as said before we will see...and I can't wait.

 

Do you know how they save money? Cos they have a 4G63 plant only for the evos and airtrek turbos. Why not close this plant, use a common engine with common parts? Sure developing a new engine could cost some money, but it's nothing compared to the long term savings Mitsu is going to enjoy. And umm yes aluminium is expensive, but it's not as strong as cast iron. Not all turbo engines are equal by the way.

 

I don't know why people think that aluminum can not be as strong as cast iron. Tell that to Ferrari or Aston Martin. Aluminum is lighter, so you can make a bit less powerful engine but also lose a lot of weight which returns in better performance. Second of all, when aluminum is properly compressed and shaped (this is the big key) it can be as strong as cast iron while conducting heat a lot better and again weighting a lot less. I really don't know what your point is. Mitsubishi has been sharing platforms for ages, of course they do that to save money, it's obvious. But there are also things such as safety regulations and emmision standards and thats why there is a need for progress and better engineering.

 

top fuel drag also use aluminum blocks (a solid chunk of it) and they can handle 6000+ hp. honda aluminum blocks can handle well over 1000 whp with iron sleeve. look at all the aluminum block ecotech engine from gm that's making well over 1000 whp. iron blocks are just a cheap way of making a strong block, it doesn't mean aluminum blocks can't be as strong, it just cost more.