will they put the ayc and acd into the usdm MR??

 

Heh heh. The Spec C is nothing like the normal STi. The Spec C is a BEAST.

 

The Spec-C is awesome...

But it ain't no MR .
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Ok. For those who are really unclear that I am clear...no I'm not confusing the SAYC with the ACD...and they work TOGETHER to improve cornering which is the Evo's strongest asset. I think it's really sad that we are likely not getting the SAYC, but, judging from the complete lack of knowledge of it here...on an Evo dedicated web site...I can see how the general American public wouldn't really grasp it or understand enough to care about it to influence their buying significantly. The biggest selling point to most people shopping (probably the majority of the market who don't visit here and likely won't mod their cars at all) is plain HP and straight line accelleration. That's the general US consumer's measure of 'fast'. In that arena, Mitsu has to compete with the ever-more HP subarus for attention. The WRX still has WAY outsold the Evo. Cornering isn't so important to a lot who bought the Sti because they just like that it has a bigger di#@...I mean displacement. So I guess the Mitsu guys know that nobody over here really gives a damn if the thing has SAYC or not...and they'll pay the same regardless...so it's a money-losing option for mitsu to put it on the cars. Our consumer ignorance is why we don't get the fanciest new stuff. Personally, I want an MR for a lot of different things, but a 20% increase in strength of drivetrain gears and an improved 4g63 block are important attractants to me. I'm with everyone who doesn't care about stuff that can be aftermarket upgraded anyway...but the diffs and the ACD, and the improved channeling in the block, and the tougher drivetrain...as well as the significant weight savings (hey, a hundred and some pounds is an extra dead body that slops around reeling against the performance in every direction). I don't know about the six-speed and how it feels...but I'm willing to bet that once I'm used to it, I'll know exactly where each gear is and it won't feel sloppy at all. The interior is WAY nicer, I think...and that isn't so easily upgraded. There's a lot that makes me determined to have the MR (and by doing so, put off all my mods until it is here). Just too bad we don't get the SAYC. Flame as you want, it's an awsome thing and better than ever for the Japanese.

 

Hm, actually, the interior is pretty much the same. Just a different shade of point, an extra MR badge at the shifter base, and different seats. It's not like its any "higher quality" than our interior.

I agree with you on the SAYC/ACD. Those electronic diffs is what makes the Evo so unique. What other consumer car can you get electronic diffs on for under $35K?

The AYC was scrapped in the beginning for the first Evo8's cause there's emissions hardware in it's place. But I'm sure upkeep, cost, and tech training had a lot to do with it as well. I've generally heard the 6MT IS sloppy. While it gets the job done, it's not the same rifle bolt like 5MT that we're used to. Dunno, I'm guessing they scrapped ACD because of cost. And now look at all the xcase problems we have.

Where did you get the 20% increase in strength of the gears?

 

I have no doubts that the ACD is coming. But, unfortunately the AYC probably won't make it.

And I'm not so sure whether the 6MT is really going to be such a put down relative to the 5MT. Based on the only article i've read on a driven MR
(Yes, the SPEED article by Sam Mitani), the 6MT was precisely geared for the MR's powerband and had an overall nice solid feel.

Yeah, there was an issue with 3rd a couple of times, but sounds good to me .

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No sayc I guess the only thing we can do now is compare the slalom speed and the lateral g's from the Speed article of the MR to a USDM MR to see how much difference the Sayc makes.

Or maybe a JDM 8 vs a USDM 8

Whatever the case I am happy that we are only partially neglected now. Atleast we're making progress from not having any Evo to MR

 

Yeah, no SAYC isn't ideal, but even without it, the USDM Evo 8 still has impressive numbers - 68.9mph through the slalom, 0.88g on the skidpad (from ROAD and TRACK).

It's only bested in the slalom by the Ferrari Enzo (73.0), the Viper SRT-10 comp (i.e. GT racer, 78.3), the Boxster S (71.6), and the Chrysler Crossfire ?!?!?!? (69.6, all from R&T).

Few cars bested it for Skidpad honors. But lateral g's don't really give you a good objective measure of performance, since way too many variables are involved including, but not limited to: temperature, tire width and sidewall width, configuration of drivetrain, tire compound, etc.

So, even though the JDM MR numbers in SPEED are impressive (70.8mph, 0.98g), i'm not sure how much of that is solely because of the SAYC. Remeber, the suspension is different and the car's center of gravity is lower, not to mention it rides on different rubber as well .

So I think SAYC would be ideal, but the performance numbers of USDM MR should be pretty close, maybe identical .

Plus, we get more ponnies... Hell, I value handling, and yeah it pretty much makes or breaks a car with me, but we got a lot more pavement to cover. So I won't complain... it's like frosting .
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Anybody able to download from the website?

http://media.mitsubishicars.com/deta...82696&mime=JPG

 

Yeah, it's a pic of the Evo MR. And the other download is a high-res pic of the same.

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Well even though those numbers seem close(well not the skidpad numbers) I think the USDM MR would be very close to the JDM but definitely above the GSR 8

I guess the SAYC would make all the difference around the track but I would not be "tracking" my MR on the regular as it would be my only car for a while(got to make it last)

Even though I will be upset if the SAYC doesn't make it which is likely(please prove me wrong Mitsu) I guess the horsepower gain and the alum roof and the better turbo and all the other improvements is worth it for me.

 

Man I called Mitsu and asked about the MR and they let me know that the MR is one billion times better then the EVO.They let me know in everyday driving you will notice ur lighter roof and the active diff. i should have saved my money. These were the two men who were my customer service operators. They were a great help!

 

Well, my dealer said the MR is exactly 1.056x10^6 times better than the USDM Evo 8 and 0.7871x10^6 times better than the JDM Evo 8 .

He even had the patented software to run the Bohr-Heisenberg 7th order performance equation to prove it.

The aluminum roof was worth 10^3 enhancement in performance .

The morale... or fable?... You should stop getting you car information from ducks... they can't heal toe so they're bitter and try to mislead .

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Those road and Track numbers suck...I'm pretty sure motortrend pulled of better ones.

 

2005 USDM STI is the spec-c with A/C, etc.