Dang noobz.... its a setting in the v7 rom that allows you to keep the gas pedal all the way down while you pulling through the gears. Once you put in the clutch it will drop your rpms depending on your settings so it wont rev to 6k when u let off the clutch. Look up a video evo nlts and u will see how awesome it is. Manual transmissions only tho

 

Nice work on the clutch burner. Im going to have to check that out when I get time. Still working on my idle right now. Was able to edit the map definitions of the two maps I posted about a couple days ago and was able to compare the settings in the 9417075 rom I am running now to the stock lancer settings. There were suttle differences between them. Swapped the lancer values over to the evo rom and my idle with a/c on is awesome. Still getting dips for some damn reason but those settings helped out for sure.

 

Thanks... also what values exactly... I might know your prob

 

Well I now have every map in the idle section of the stock lancer rom matched to its corresponding map in my tephra rom. In addition I have the "Air Temperature Compensation" and "Barometric Pressure Compensation" Maps in the Fuel section of the Lancer rom matched to its corresponding map in my Tephra rom and still this damn Idle dip persists. Add that to all the physical components I have cleaned trying to clear this problem up and I am running out of ideas lol. Any suggestions are much appreciated

I will also add that last night I put all my maf/ injector scalings into a lancer rom and the problem seemed to have been corrected leading me to believe maybe we need more disassembling of the stock rom to get to some of those other tables?

 

Sooo... '05 is different in this aspect from the '02-'03 (or at least the '03 ES for sure) I most definately only have one clutch switch

 

hmm well it seems there are tables in the lower part of the rom that have to do with iscv and they somehow effected my other iscv tables..... idk

here is the diagram of thee upper clutch switch

 

03lance I had the same issue bro, I had to dissect the entire Idle table and the bottom table with stepper values, it was a pain but after I used the complete evo 8 settings it worked. You can't use the tephra settings because they are not right. The evo 8 and lancer rom share some of the same qualities.

If you want I will email you a stock evo 8 rom from which I used to fix my idle. Its not your injectors just something with the setting but it looks like you figured that on your own

 

Yeah last night before bed I went and upped some of the steps in the iscv tables going to hopefully adjust them right to fix this. As far as that diagram. I went under my dash last night I dont even have the bracket that diagram shows the upper switch mounted to. Would not surprise me if I found out somebody removed it for whatever reason before I got the car. My poor car was a shanker when I first got it . No biggie though I can live without nlts and two step

 

couple questions, first is "we have 2 switches? just one of them is not connected???"

second...idle wise, I certainly think we need some more disasembly of the lancer rom, but being that it's 10 years old now, I doubt anyone will put too much effort into it at this point. There is something not right about the 2, something not exactly the same, because like you said, my stock settings, with updated scaling, maf, etc etc, idles GREAT on the lancer rom, but I have to tweak the hell out of the evo rom to make it run...so, it's close, but not perfect.

Oh...other thing, I talked to English Racing and was planning to just go ahead and pay them to tune by mail on my car, so I can have an expert oppinion, the only thing I worry about is they are so far from me, so I don't know how well it will turn out. I was pretty set on English and then the guy who develops virtual dyno actually vouched for mellon tuning....so I don't know what's right to do or what's best or if it matters, but it would be cool if a pro could get my idle issues straightened out (challenge extended).

 

Thanks Steven I have several stock evo roms on file and have went through them pretty extensively. Every Idle map we have available in our stock roms have now been copied over to my tephra rom. I even just got done adjusting the hell out of the ISCV tables trying to get this figured out per a suggestion TouringBubble made in another thread with similiar problems. Only all I got was a CEL saying multiple cylinder misifre and a sour taste in my mouth lol. Never felt a misfire though and may be unrelated but idk.
Burner has an '05 which apparently does have the second switch. I was thinking the same thing that its wierd if its just there not connected. I physically went under there and I only have the bottom switch on my car.

Although I cant exactly vouch for english since never been tuned I can say their tuner Aaron is a pretty straight up guy and sounds like he knows a hell of a alot about this stuff. I personally spoke with him face to face, one on one for a good couple hours and got alot of good info. I live about 2 hours from English so it would be a no brainer to go there for me.

 

yeah it seems the upper clutch switch wires just go into the engine bay.. its connected to something somewhere but just not directly to the ecu like it needs to be....

my 2 step works without the clutch switch being connected. have it set at 4k.

and yes it would be awesome to get all the ISCV tables out of the lancer rom

 

I have almost had it with this thing lol. Over the last 3 days I have easily flashed 50 different idle settings trying to figure this out ALL with the same idle dips. Today I pull my plugs out to check them over. There is a little more than normal carbon buildup around the edges of them which I expected to see since my wideband bottoms out rich while these dips occur. Put them back in and went for a drive. Hell the car wont even hold idle half the time now it just stalls . Tempted to try putting all my settings into a stock evo rom to see what happens. Sorry for the online vent lol but between this and the household **** going bad on me today this "day off" as been ****ed

 

03lance send me your rom stephenjoas@gmail.com I will take a look at it

 

My 2step "works" as well, and there are 2 clutch position switches in there. I think 1 might go to something cruise control related, so nlts might take modification.

As for idle, use the lance iscv values, and idle stepper table, but reverse the ac on and ac off maps, so that the one with 8 in the last cell is for ac off. Our rom is backward, kinda like high octane titled maps and what not. Then, also put in the high intake air temp tables, both of them...not sure how much diff it makes, seems like it "Feels" better with those in there. Common sense tells us the a/c on steps should be higher, so that's why I say the lancer rom is flipped, then the one in the middle seems to be for the power steering, when you turn the wheel the idles increase. I think it's titled "drive"...but that's a lie.

Also, attached is the settings to log "idle trim" which is the same as fuel trims, but for iscv steps, just so you can sort of tell what your car is doing.

One more thing about knock, I believe 3*(high octane timing-low octane timing)=knocksum according to Fred, so that might be one reason some or alot of us see either high or low knock relative to others....in addition to noisy engines. So, what's in your low octane map? the evo's looks like this (as far as different between high and low maps):

 

Rom sent your way Steven, maybe there is something obvious I am over looking lol. Going to give your suggestion a try Hornstar, about to go flash it now. As for the Clutch switch, cruise related sounds about right to me since I have no cruise control and no upper switch