Check this thread https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ec...ble-found.html

If we are adjusting that table, to what we have, we're more cautious. The guys who left that "Evo Stock" are not hearing any of that low load knock. The most important question is, is that real knock we should be concerned about? My initial thought is that it may not be, since I don't know of anyone on the EVO rom blowing an engine. Still, I'd like to know the safe way around this, not just to use the evo settings....because it seems unsafe. I don't know the hazards very well of low load, low rpm knock.....but also, when i accelerate more than 30 load, I don't see knock, so it may be phantom. Wish there was a good way to determine.

Oh, and yes, you and I are seeing knock that others do not because of that table, lol....but I'm afraid to change it. Stock evos of all shapes and sizes come like the 159 max on low rpm that I posted, which is why the evo ecu swap works...but scares me. I wish I could see that table in the lancer stock rom

 

Im going to read that as well, also same here, if i just accel harder into boost, my knock disappears, the only time i got knock WOT was with MAF scalled.

 

**** it, someone has to try this, im going to do some pulls like and see what happens with the new scalled knock table the same as the EVO's with the 159 at the low RPMS

 

Go back to stock MAF then.

My throw out bearing is also bad I think, because with the clutch out it goes "ratta tatta ratta tattta ratta tatta...." So that would explain the low load rattle, when i'm pusing on the pedal, it doesn't rattle as much. I still want to see the stock values in the base lancer, and just use them, but I don't know where to find them. I'll peruse the forums....

*edit* compare this pic to the stuff in the evo roms....very similar in nature, I wonder if it's a different representation of the same sort of settings?

 

See if you can find them, im going to use that knock table from the evo with my stock lancer MAF values and see how it goes. check back around 6ish i should have some logs up to view, and some good news too hopefully

 

be freakin careful and see my "edit" above about the table in the base lancer rom.

 

Hey guys just my two cents I would not recommend using the evo knock load settings unless you are running an evo maf. This is why I left them as is. Reason I say this is if you are using the evo maf this means your loads are very similiar to the evos loads as my case. I wont get up to the max load values of them only because I am not pushing as much power. Using the lancer maf your seeing much lower load values. I found for me my loads were multiplied 1.8x when I switched to the evo maf. Meaning the with everything the same when I would hit say 60 load with my stock maf I would show something close to 100-110 with the evo maf. Or 40 load would change to around 70 load. Does this make sense?

 

Yeah i see what your saying...so i should just leave my knock table as stock? how can me and hornstar filter out the knock at low load, its crazy high like in the 20's, bbut when you accel it goes away

 

Ok, compare this one to the lancer stock filter, or an evo filter?

** Laptop just died, cant flash now so i need to wait till i get home to test out new settings

 

To be honest I am not really sure on this and I am afraid to give you a recommendation and have something bad happen . I guess if you have been able to identify it as false knock you can up the threshold to just above that load. Or if you cant say for sure yet you can try the old faithful timing retard. If your getting 20+ counts then retard the timing in that area like 7-8 degrees and smooth the progression around that area that way you dont have huge timing jumps as that can cause knock too. You can then save it something like "phantom knock test" or something similiar. If you can log and still get the crazy high knock counts with no extreme jumps in timing RIGHT BEFORE the knock, this is important as after the knock occurs you might have those high timing jumps regardless as the ecu trys to compensate. If this is the case it is fairly safe to assume its false knock and can cautiously adjust some of those knock thresholds

 

My "edit above" just means that I saw a table, which implies similar knock filtering based on load. Between the lancer base, and evos. But....it only implies a similarity, it is in no way the exact same. I'm using

500 - 50
1000 - 50
1500 - 50
2000 - 50
2500 - 40
3000 - 40
3500 - 30
4000 - 30
4500 - 30
5000 - 30

on the way home today....and I don't really know the safety of this, but obviously I didn't see the low load knock. I'm still pulling timing above 50 load to combat knock, but I just can't see any other way around the "low load knock" as long as I make sure the timing is the same in this rom as it was in my base lancer rom.

 

I feel like every other person using the evo ROM is either putting themselves at risk, or Mitsu and I are being overly cautious.

 

Ok so i didnt get a chance to log AFR yet because i had to help a friend who needed some body work so that took alot of time But i got the cable in, thanks hornstar! i was however able to load the fuel/ timing maps from your rom into mine and logg some pulls. Im still seeing some knock, only once as high as 5 but im pretty sure i went WOT. Stock MAF settings etc. But when i floor it AFR get to about 11.9 then really quickly taper off to 17+ ny the time i get to 5 PSI, i can feel the car getting slower when AFR is that high it seems. So i tried one again to make changes to the MAF scaling in the 600 plus because thats where it would start to get lean, so i got it to be around 11-12 ARF but of corse with this came the extreme knock issue we have, i got as high as 13. Im using the 50/40 settings for knock, i didnt get a chance to try the other knock settings as its getting late. So basically im right were i was before..made no progress

EDIT:: i need to find my flash drive so i can post my logs

 

well im pretty much using the stock tephra rom the only thing I changed was the timing and the fuel. after putting on the evo maf it has helped me so much with tuning and makes it easier

 

+1 Steven I like the fact that the evo maf basically stretches your working area since load goes way up. Plus idk I think with the evo rom especially since the two were made to work together it just seems to make things a little more predictable too. BTW what loads are you logging with the evo maf? I have seen 230, or maybe it was 213 but I know at least 213.

As far as the shift knock goes I logged probably 5-6 runs starting in first gear and I banged through the gears pretty good. It really wakes up if you are able to start in first and keep in boost through the gears lemme tell you lol. Even with the knock. Its not as bad as I thought it would be the highest counts I seen were 9 with average counts probabably around 5. Even after researching though I am a little confused on what to do so I am going to ask some questions for clarifications and post any results I get