One more 16g thread - few questions
Yea, that wasn't throttle hang. That was a melted throttle cable. Guaranteed to happen to any and every turbo Lancer that doesn't take precautions (ie - wrapping the throttle cable in reflective heat wrap or insulating wrap). I've gone through 3 throttle cables since my first turbo kit. I plan on installing another new one and wrapping it one of these days. The newfound excess heat under the hood from a turbo and manifold will accelerate the degrading of alot of rubber-based parts. Silicone and stainless/aluminum will be your new friends! 
First time it happened to me was when I had my original 16G6 cable. I was accelerating to merge onto the highway and let off the pedal when I was at about 80mph. The car kept accelerating at 12psi. It was honestly the most frightening feeling a person could ever feel. I turned off the car and pulled over to the side of the highway. When I started the car the RPMs instantly jumped up and began bouncing of the rev limiter at redline. I killed the engine again, popped the hood and inspected the throttle cable. The cable was sticking inside of the covering of the cable. The covering had heated up, softened a bit and began melting to the metal throttle cable. The best solution and advice I began giving members was to tuck your foot under the accelerator pedal and pull it back up if you think your pedal is sticking or your idle is too high for no reason.
Ah gotcha, strange I havent had an issue with my cable... yet (knocks on wood)
Other than that wierd incident the other day I have never had a backfire. Steven I think your timing is too low in those higher load areas probably causing your backfire. That guy sounds like a douche. Any real car enthuisiast would be all over your car wanting to know every detail of your build. Its pretty unique the way our cars are setup. Alot of people in my little town love my car and are really impressed with the setup. Gotta buddy with an old camaro all restored, cherry and pushing about 450hp. He is always asking me about my car he like it alot
Other than that wierd incident the other day I have never had a backfire. Steven I think your timing is too low in those higher load areas probably causing your backfire. That guy sounds like a douche. Any real car enthuisiast would be all over your car wanting to know every detail of your build. Its pretty unique the way our cars are setup. Alot of people in my little town love my car and are really impressed with the setup. Gotta buddy with an old camaro all restored, cherry and pushing about 450hp. He is always asking me about my car he like it alot
I never had a problem with my cable at all since the build, my car tends to backfire usually at higher rpms around 5k+ but I just got my first cel in a while but it was a slow count so some where I need to tweak the timing to get that point fixed I might have missed something. so 03lance when you tune you basically work your way up? Like how exactly do you start off with 2k wot, then a 2200k wot? how do you go about your increments I might start over on my timing because you saw how low it was compared to your map
Met a guy with a 400hp supra, was like you wanna run I was hesitant at first because I just woke up 30 mins ago and was at the car wash "I thought I worked in the morning but I work the night shift" dude was dissing my car and said you should have INVESTED....
Met a guy with a 400hp supra, was like you wanna run I was hesitant at first because I just woke up 30 mins ago and was at the car wash "I thought I worked in the morning but I work the night shift" dude was dissing my car and said you should have INVESTED....
I am glad this issue was brought up, I had my hood popped today and sure enough where my cable dipped a little too close to the header where I am missing that other clip the cable was soft and a little melted. I have not had an issue but I did tuck the cable up higher further away where I am pretty sure I should not have anymore issues
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Oh, and I don't know if I'm hearing the BOV working properly, or if I've got some compressor surge. At 1-2 psi , I hear what I'd call a "double tap", which sounds like a split second of surge before the BOV opens. What might cause that, too small a vac line to my bov nipple? The line between the FPR and intake is what I'm using, but it is pretty small, and my gauge is run there too. It's a 9 metal valve btw. I dunno if I mentioned, but my wife heard it the other day on the way to dinner and said "sounds like something broke!"...I was like, "umm, yes....yes it did sound that way, no idea what that would have been". She's still in the dark on the turbo, she wouldn't approve. I did discuss finances though, and it sounds like she's spent about 5000 on cigarettes over the past 10 years, and over 2000 on drinks at the cheesecake factory on record....so lets just say I'm ok spending 2.2k on my turbo.
Last edited by HornstarBU; Nov 14, 2010 at 06:13 PM.
I used the gauge wizard, it's somewhat of a large learning curve...to add a numerical gauge to an existing circular gauge, it's basically you add another gauge, and tell it to reference the same source as the analog gauge. I can whip you up an example if that would help.
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Oh, and I don't know if I'm hearing the BOV working properly, or if I've got some compressor surge. At 1-2 psi , I hear what I'd call a "double tap", which sounds like a split second of surge before the BOV opens. What might cause that, too small a vac line to my bov nipple? The line between the FPR and intake is what I'm using, but it is pretty small, and my gauge is run there too. It's a 9 metal valve btw. I dunno if I mentioned, but my wife heard it the other day on the way to dinner and said "sounds like something broke!"...I was like, "umm, yes....yes it did sound that way, no idea what that would have been". She's still in the dark on the turbo, she wouldn't approve. I did discuss finances though, and it sounds like she's spent about 5000 on cigarettes over the past 10 years, and over 2000 on drinks at the cheesecake factory on record....so lets just say I'm ok spending 2.2k on my turbo.
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Oh, and I don't know if I'm hearing the BOV working properly, or if I've got some compressor surge. At 1-2 psi , I hear what I'd call a "double tap", which sounds like a split second of surge before the BOV opens. What might cause that, too small a vac line to my bov nipple? The line between the FPR and intake is what I'm using, but it is pretty small, and my gauge is run there too. It's a 9 metal valve btw. I dunno if I mentioned, but my wife heard it the other day on the way to dinner and said "sounds like something broke!"...I was like, "umm, yes....yes it did sound that way, no idea what that would have been". She's still in the dark on the turbo, she wouldn't approve. I did discuss finances though, and it sounds like she's spent about 5000 on cigarettes over the past 10 years, and over 2000 on drinks at the cheesecake factory on record....so lets just say I'm ok spending 2.2k on my turbo.
Also I have my BOV connected the same way as you. I have a tee in my fpr line with my bov and my boost gauge tee'd off of that. Mine seems to be working fine never noticed any issues. What bov do you have again?
Metal IX bov. The line between the FPR has 2 T's in it, and the first is where the BOV is, since it's slightly larger. I'm going to order different T's and a bit of vacuum tube and do it all over again. The stuff I'm using is "vacuum tube/windshield fluid tube", and it's a little too smushy for my taste, like it might almost collapse under vacuum. I think I'll get the red vacuum tube, and although it's rated a little higher psi than I'm running, I'll just compensate with an AEM sticker...I thought about using a summit racing sticker, but I don't think that's quite enough for red.
Ok, all joking aside, it sounds like either the bov isn't connected properly, as far as the size of tube I'm using, or T's I'm using....or it's just a bad bov, and I'd wanna just get one of those Syncronic or synapse or whatever ones. I thought perhaps just that stock bovs might not be "quick" enough, but I guess since they are working for others, then that's not the case at least most of the time.
Ok, all joking aside, it sounds like either the bov isn't connected properly, as far as the size of tube I'm using, or T's I'm using....or it's just a bad bov, and I'd wanna just get one of those Syncronic or synapse or whatever ones. I thought perhaps just that stock bovs might not be "quick" enough, but I guess since they are working for others, then that's not the case at least most of the time.
Metal IX bov. The line between the FPR has 2 T's in it, and the first is where the BOV is, since it's slightly larger. I'm going to order different T's and a bit of vacuum tube and do it all over again. The stuff I'm using is "vacuum tube/windshield fluid tube", and it's a little too smushy for my taste, like it might almost collapse under vacuum. I think I'll get the red vacuum tube, and although it's rated a little higher psi than I'm running, I'll just compensate with an AEM sticker...I thought about using a summit racing sticker, but I don't think that's quite enough for red.
Ok, all joking aside, it sounds like either the bov isn't connected properly, as far as the size of tube I'm using, or T's I'm using....or it's just a bad bov, and I'd wanna just get one of those Syncronic or synapse or whatever ones. I thought perhaps just that stock bovs might not be "quick" enough, but I guess since they are working for others, then that's not the case at least most of the time.
Ok, all joking aside, it sounds like either the bov isn't connected properly, as far as the size of tube I'm using, or T's I'm using....or it's just a bad bov, and I'd wanna just get one of those Syncronic or synapse or whatever ones. I thought perhaps just that stock bovs might not be "quick" enough, but I guess since they are working for others, then that's not the case at least most of the time.
Last edited by Mitsu.kid.02; Nov 14, 2010 at 07:23 PM.
Im using the HKS SSQV, NOT recirculated, i have the recirc attachment, but i noticed nothing different in logs or how the car ran with it VTA or with it recirc. No compressor surge and my wideband does not read rich when the BOV opens, but, im also auto trans the BOV does not close when the car shifts, the only time i ever will hear the BOV is when i lef off the gas in boost. I have no stalling issues or anything, works killer on my car, and it sounds good too, very loud. with the evo8 diverter valve i has some compressor surge wich killed my turbo, sounded like a turkey gobble lol.
Here's the gauge I'm using....stole most of it from a template but adjusted it to fit my needs, lol. Easier than creating from scratch I thought. The 02 feedback isn't setup right...got lazy and I don't really look at the gauges when I drive. I will get Cody to hold the PC, if he's around, but mostly I just set audible alerts to yell "WATCH THE FREAK OUT YO, KNOCK COMIN!!!!"
Well mines now where near a turkey gobble, just like a "1,2" or whatever, like ...I don't know how to describe it, maybe a 1/4sec of surge then the bov opens? I dunno, I'll record it on video.
Here's the gauge I'm using....stole most of it from a template but adjusted it to fit my needs, lol. Easier than creating from scratch I thought. The 02 feedback isn't setup right...got lazy and I don't really look at the gauges when I drive. I will get Cody to hold the PC, if he's around, but mostly I just set audible alerts to yell "WATCH THE FREAK OUT YO, KNOCK COMIN!!!!"
Here's the gauge I'm using....stole most of it from a template but adjusted it to fit my needs, lol. Easier than creating from scratch I thought. The 02 feedback isn't setup right...got lazy and I don't really look at the gauges when I drive. I will get Cody to hold the PC, if he's around, but mostly I just set audible alerts to yell "WATCH THE FREAK OUT YO, KNOCK COMIN!!!!"
Record a vid of the sound bro
Well mines now where near a turkey gobble, just like a "1,2" or whatever, like ...I don't know how to describe it, maybe a 1/4sec of surge then the bov opens? I dunno, I'll record it on video.
Here's the gauge I'm using....stole most of it from a template but adjusted it to fit my needs, lol. Easier than creating from scratch I thought. The 02 feedback isn't setup right...got lazy and I don't really look at the gauges when I drive. I will get Cody to hold the PC, if he's around, but mostly I just set audible alerts to yell "WATCH THE FREAK OUT YO, KNOCK COMIN!!!!"
Here's the gauge I'm using....stole most of it from a template but adjusted it to fit my needs, lol. Easier than creating from scratch I thought. The 02 feedback isn't setup right...got lazy and I don't really look at the gauges when I drive. I will get Cody to hold the PC, if he's around, but mostly I just set audible alerts to yell "WATCH THE FREAK OUT YO, KNOCK COMIN!!!!"
The AFR's go too rich on me in the upper RPMs so I've increased everything past where it's perfect so it doesn't drop off so drastically. Timing is still behind, since I get like...no knock ever in the upper RPM range. I'ma increase timing this time around, because I think I'm being overly cautious.
Sorry there is so much noise, but here's the video of the car rolling around town a bit. There is a ton of background noise, so much that it nearly drowns out the car...and the exhaust sounds a bit buzzy, but in a few times you can hear the BOV....if you wear headphones and turn it up some, lol.
Anyhow, see if you can hear the double thump I am talking about, I can since I hear it live all the time, but let me know if you can.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0tnXTYfGzo
Sorry there is so much noise, but here's the video of the car rolling around town a bit. There is a ton of background noise, so much that it nearly drowns out the car...and the exhaust sounds a bit buzzy, but in a few times you can hear the BOV....if you wear headphones and turn it up some, lol.
Anyhow, see if you can hear the double thump I am talking about, I can since I hear it live all the time, but let me know if you can.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0tnXTYfGzo
The AFR's go too rich on me in the upper RPMs so I've increased everything past where it's perfect so it doesn't drop off so drastically. Timing is still behind, since I get like...no knock ever in the upper RPM range. I'ma increase timing this time around, because I think I'm being overly cautious.
Sorry there is so much noise, but here's the video of the car rolling around town a bit. There is a ton of background noise, so much that it nearly drowns out the car...and the exhaust sounds a bit buzzy, but in a few times you can hear the BOV....if you wear headphones and turn it up some, lol.
Anyhow, see if you can hear the double thump I am talking about, I can since I hear it live all the time, but let me know if you can.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0tnXTYfGzo
Sorry there is so much noise, but here's the video of the car rolling around town a bit. There is a ton of background noise, so much that it nearly drowns out the car...and the exhaust sounds a bit buzzy, but in a few times you can hear the BOV....if you wear headphones and turn it up some, lol.
Anyhow, see if you can hear the double thump I am talking about, I can since I hear it live all the time, but let me know if you can.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0tnXTYfGzo
Here is the best I've got so far, as far as HP/Torque on the latest revisions of my rom. There is basically no timing advance from my "safe settings", so I'm assuming I'll see more power once I start to advance it a hair...without knock obviously. But, I am also just a tad rich throughout, and leaning it some is going to add some power as well I think. This was 7psi at some point, because I cleared the peak before hand, and checked afterwards and it showed about 6.5...but it's about .5 too low when the engine is off.
The comparison one was the highest I'd done on the stock lancer rom. I know this isn't a true representation, because TPS isn't 100%, and I didn't have the "pedal to the metal" but I did keep it steady the entire way at about 80.5%, and I'm just using VDR as a benchmark anyway, to basically check my progress.
The comparison one was the highest I'd done on the stock lancer rom. I know this isn't a true representation, because TPS isn't 100%, and I didn't have the "pedal to the metal" but I did keep it steady the entire way at about 80.5%, and I'm just using VDR as a benchmark anyway, to basically check my progress.
Car almost ready man ?
Would love to run another Turbo Lancer lol
Thing that sucks thought is once you start making a bit of power with the Lancer it doesnt like to stick to the floor what so ever causing the track times to be kind of off to what the car can do lol
Lets just say on a "Street run" i was able to take out a 108 Trap 13.2 car
Haha
Would love to run another Turbo Lancer
lolThing that sucks thought is once you start making a bit of power with the Lancer it doesnt like to stick to the floor what so ever causing the track times to be kind of off to what the car can do lol
Lets just say on a "Street run" i was able to take out a 108 Trap 13.2 car
Haha
Car almost ready man ?
Would love to run another Turbo Lancer lol
Thing that sucks thought is once you start making a bit of power with the Lancer it doesnt like to stick to the floor what so ever causing the track times to be kind of off to what the car can do lol
Lets just say on a "Street run" i was able to take out a 108 Trap 13.2 car Haha
Would love to run another Turbo Lancer
lolThing that sucks thought is once you start making a bit of power with the Lancer it doesnt like to stick to the floor what so ever causing the track times to be kind of off to what the car can do lol
Lets just say on a "Street run" i was able to take out a 108 Trap 13.2 car
HahaI was being safe, not doing any "street racing" type stuff, just some aggressive acceleration, so I'm thinking if I wanted to really cut loose at a track, the very next upgrade I ought to do is LSD. It would probably do me some good to get new shocks/struts as well. I've got 1 solid motor mount, or at least urethane filled, and I'm betting that helps a little.