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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 06:06 AM
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It's simple to put it underneath! That's how I have always had it
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by zulu989
It's simple to put it underneath! That's how I have always had it

I might move mine around the way you have yours, mine almost touches the hood, not that it matters but it looks better IMO too. Actually i think i tried this, but im AUTO and the trans gets in the way i belive

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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Mitsu.kid.02
This is how mine looks currently:
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My BOV is VTA tho, so if your recirc the pipe would just be flipped around
So....no stalling probs eh? I think you said you have the anti-stall kit, is it a name brand ssqv, or knock-off one? did you get it new or used.

And dang it Zulu, I tried to get it underneath the pipe, but I just couldn't do it captain. Do you have to tweak the pipe coming off the intercooler closer to the ground to make up for the "lost length" when the UICP points downward?

If possible, can you snap a couple pics from like, underneath, and pointing down so I can see what's goin on near the back of your headlight, and with the coolant overflow thingie and such?

Oh, 1 more pic of HP rating, after some leaning and timing increase, mild mild stuff though.
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 08:08 AM
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everything kinda just fits like it was supposed to be there lol, remember i dont have a battery! or a coolant over flow tank although it would fit
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by HornstarBU
So....no stalling probs eh? I think you said you have the anti-stall kit, is it a name brand ssqv, or knock-off one? did you get it new or used.

And dang it Zulu, I tried to get it underneath the pipe, but I just couldn't do it captain. Do you have to tweak the pipe coming off the intercooler closer to the ground to make up for the "lost length" when the UICP points downward?

If possible, can you snap a couple pics from like, underneath, and pointing down so I can see what's goin on near the back of your headlight, and with the coolant overflow thingie and such?

Oh, 1 more pic of HP rating, after some leaning and timing increase, mild mild stuff though.

No problems stalling, prob because im auto trans, when i let off the gas and the TP closes, it gets rich for a second then goes back to normal, but if im doing a pull and keep the gas down then the plate never closes so it works out perfect. I have no anti stall kit and it is the name brand HKS SSQV, brand new
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Old Dec 1, 2010 | 09:33 PM
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Hows it going bro ?
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 07:18 AM
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Hows it going bro ?
Me? You know...pretty good. I'm knock-free in WOT, I've advanced timing a smidge in different spots, and I'm continuing to test it out. My injectors are at 100% above 5000 rpm, so that's no good. The 440's are still in my center console though, because the fuel injector place runs weird hours (after 6pm usually they are there), and I keep forgetting to go up there once it's that late.

I got the Evo8 MAF in the mail....like 3 weeks after I paid the guy, and it was missing the honeycomb even though he said "it's perfect, nothing is broken on it". Also, dirty as sin, and covered in glitter....I think it came off a stripper's car. Still, I'm going to give it a good cleaning, and then try it out. Once the injectors are cleaned/flowtested/installed....I may try to iron out the AFR's once more, since I'm guessing it will change with the injector scaling, and then tighten the WGA a smidge. I think it's rattling a little at lower speeds and idle. This 1 or 2 turns of preload will probably increase boost a psi or 2, so I'ma be very careful...but then that will be it for me as far as the lancer is concerned engine wise.

After Christmas, it's suspension, fixing the A/C temp knob, and gauge cluster light repair (LED's in the cluster....not so much).
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 08:33 AM
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im knock free as well, turned up the boost to 12-13 psi now and car is running really good I think Im just going to keep it at 11-12 and make sure the boost doesnt go up so high. As soon as I get rid of the knock issue I will start turning up timing and make some power!!!
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 09:03 AM
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im knock free as well, turned up the boost to 12-13 psi now and car is running really good I think Im just going to keep it at 11-12 and make sure the boost doesnt go up so high. As soon as I get rid of the knock issue I will start turning up timing and make some power!!!
You said you were knock free, but then have a knock issue to get rid of...is it the shift knock thing you and 03 have been having? Also, I'm thinking I am comfortable with the 18's across the board on my multipliers, and the 3 and 5 muti's. It compares to the stock knockbase curve pretty much identically, so I think it's safe. It might be a hair too safe, but I'm fine with that. Once my TOB gets fixed (forgot to mention that's my next step, between now and suspension...clutch), I may even be able to increase timing more, without my knock light going off. I'm just not the kind of guy to increase timing without feeling like I know it's safe, same as 03 and all his testing.

Oh....and I have the sudden "hankering" for Speed Density....I'm thinking I'll add a MAP sensor sometime in the near future, and it looks like people use the Fuel temp as their temp input in an evo. The 2 things disabled on our cars are Fuel pressure and Wastegate solenoids....so the fuel temp input ought to still be fine in SD, right? Reason for wanting to make that swap is really just pure learning...I don't expect some sort of magic power out of it, and I know it's probably more difficult to tune...I just think it would be pretty sweet to try out.
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Old Dec 5, 2010 | 12:05 PM
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I swapped the Evo MAF in, and just from my initial testing here are the tentative results:

Condition - Lancer MAF - Evo Maf
Idle ------- 20 load ------ 30 load
40 TPS ---- 90 load ------- 110 load

So, I didn't go much more than 40 TPS, because the AFR was already too rich, but I somewhat expected that from the loads that you Evo MAF guys see. So....complete return for the Evo MAF pretty much. The wife wants to go shopping, so it might have to wait...even until next weekend. Hope it's just as easy as expanding my map out a bit, basically stretching it 20% or so over to the right. This will make it easier to tune though, I'm thinking, since equal values are going to push farther to the right. I know, I could scale my maps...but I never wanted to go less than increments of 5...now I can leave it how it is, and just feel good!

Oh, and I have heard from 2 guys now that they run up to 7* increase at WOT, is that pretty normal when turbo'd, or are they (you) asking for trouble? I mean, I don't see much knock, except low load/rpm where I've got my "knock load" set pretty low just to see what's going on....but I do see 1-2 counts up top every so often. That would mean it is safe to run 7 and I'm too sensitive knock wise, or that it isn't and someone's going to mess their engine up. Either way, tell me what you guys run timing advance in the 3-4000 range at WOT, I'm curious....no reduced compression figures, they won't help me.

(Don't forget to move that Fuel Cut Load over Anderson)
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Old Dec 5, 2010 | 03:28 PM
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I am only running about 2 degrees at about 4500 but I am hitting about 12psi by then
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Old Dec 5, 2010 | 06:21 PM
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I am running the 399 Maf @ 10Psi and get alot of knock!
My knock count is crazy but it already have about 100 lol track passes and another 150+ full throttle pulls off the track

My theory is that it is false knock since a Lancer Knock sensor does not come set up for the sounds of a turbo engine .
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Old Dec 5, 2010 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 02-Lancer-Es
I am running the 399 Maf @ 10Psi and get alot of knock!
My knock count is crazy but it already have about 100 lol track passes and another 150+ full throttle pulls off the track

My theory is that it is false knock since a Lancer Knock sensor does not come set up for the sounds of a turbo engine .
Wow....so, you have a "pro" tune though, right? Any idea what the timing map looks like? or what timing you are at during WOT? Also...that's a pretty weak theory about the knock sensor, and I know you've got a buncha pulls in and all but I'd be crazy scared of something breaks. I mean, the knock sensor does come setup for the sounds of the engine, even if it's not turbo...still, it hears "pings" from irregular combustion. What sorta knock counts are you seeing that are "crazy" because I'd like to know, comparison-wise, and be able to know if my cars gonna explode at some point, if mine ever go higher than yours, lol.
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Old Dec 5, 2010 | 09:20 PM
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I did pull out the plugs after about 50 full pulls and they still look like new . Yes i do have a "Pro" tune but he had tuned it safely with maybe 1 count or none of knock but the car was just too slow so i told him to do what he could with no worries of knock , i think the car picks up somewhere alone the lines of 16-20 counts of knock lol

Ive always heard of the best way to tell if it is real or false knock is by looking at the spark plugs and i did .
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Old Dec 5, 2010 | 09:21 PM
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Also it is going to be Ifo this Sunday in San Antonio , will you be attending it ?
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