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Old Oct 29, 2010 | 08:42 AM
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Anyone bend their oil dipstick tube to get it out of the way of their header, or did you all's just fit in there nicely. I've got to grind the turbo this evening, and i can get it all the way on to see if it fits with the dipstick out of the way, but we'll see when that comes time. Also, it looks like everyone just shaves the little nub in the turbo just enough to make it fit....am i in any danger of hitting a cavity if i make it smooth with the rest of the compressor housing?
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Old Oct 30, 2010 | 10:57 AM
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It's been a semi-productive day. I did the tapping, which has been the most concerning part of the entire process. I did see some "stress cracks" all over the inside of my pan. They are so small and detailed, that it almost looks like there is some sort of finish on the pan that is cracked. Did anyone else see this sort of thing? I've got concerns that I might ought to just replace the pan all together, but I don't think so...going to think about it, but it really just looks to be surface like, coating or something. Anyhow, here's where I am now.











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Old Oct 31, 2010 | 05:53 PM
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Pretty productive day, I started up the lancer and everything seems kosher. We didn't want to take it driving around just yet, but we did let the car idle enough to get to "working temp" to fill up the radiator and to let the ceramic coating on the exhaust "cook". I think tomorrow in the daylight we'll try to get it road worthy with the bumper and headlights and what not, and actually drive it around with the computer plugged in and do some logging. I'm scared like you wouldn't believe to actually drive it...but gotta do it, no turning back now.

There is one little spot I'm sort of concerned is leaking oil, but I think it's just some slop from where I primed the oil line. I'll sort that out tomorrow as well, once the engine is cool and I can wipe it down.

Here's a few engine bay pics





That's the intercooler and new thin fan


And here is some downpipe action, followed by the custom fit cat Cody helped me work up.

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Old Oct 31, 2010 | 06:56 PM
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Nice man coming Along good it looks like. The first time I tried boosting I was running so lean it was like the engine hit a wall lol. It did the opposite it lost speed I thought I blew something lol
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Old Oct 31, 2010 | 10:07 PM
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well you have my map from an email so im going to assume your going to flash that. Just a tip of advice you are going to need to change the latency, scaling, timing and fuel map just because of the injectors, Im running 880cc the 440's are going to run alot different.

If your also running the stock maf your going to have to change that to...
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Old Nov 1, 2010 | 10:07 AM
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well you have my map from an email so im going to assume your going to flash that. Just a tip of advice you are going to need to change the latency, scaling, timing and fuel map just because of the injectors, Im running 880cc the 440's are going to run alot different.

If your also running the stock maf your going to have to change that to...
Everyone's setup is somewhat different than mine, ie you have big *** injectors, 03 has the evo maf, some people are auto, and plenty of people are using diff maf scaling or what not.....so I'm just going to use all of that data, smoosh it into my tiny little noggin, and kind of, combine everything into what feels right with my car. Just starting off slow and steady, getting it all running on the stock rom, not really any WOT, then swapping in the 440's, then scaling them, then working my way to some WOT to check knock, then flashing the evo rom, then slowly again until I can do some WOT and compare that knock.

Oh, and if you care, here's the first startup vid...short, sweet, just proof that she runs again!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8l8ihUk5SQ

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Old Nov 1, 2010 | 07:50 PM
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Cody came over, we put all the body stuff back. I couldn't get the lower grill in obviously, and we even had to cut a bit out of the inside of the bumper to get it all snug but attached.

Anyhow, went out for a drive, just less than -5 vacuum stuff, no boost. We logged everything just sort of to get the hang of what logging looks like, and to come up with a nice gauge panel with everything we need.

After that, Brian came over and also wanted to go for a ride, so we went out, and with a more comfortable grip on how evoscan works, we set the boost gauge to alert audibly at 1psi. I slowly accelerated a few times until we actually saw some positive pressure, about 1 or 2 psi. Anyhow, there was a little knock, like 5or6 at the highest. Then, I noticed the open loop thresholds are waaay high, because the lancer runs on "low octane" settings all the time. I'm going to flash those down a bit tomorrow, like 70 load or so in the low rpm, and maybe 40 or 30 in the higher rpm range.

On a side note, as far as open thresholds...I have 03 lances roms from when he ran the stock rom, as well as a few people's evo roms....

Should I be in open loop just before boost, significantly before, or right as I boost?
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Old Nov 1, 2010 | 08:01 PM
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those crack lookin things in the oil pan are normal....u think of a price u willing to pay for the bottom end?
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Old Nov 1, 2010 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by HornstarBU
Cody came over, we put all the body stuff back. I couldn't get the lower grill in obviously, and we even had to cut a bit out of the inside of the bumper to get it all snug but attached.

Anyhow, went out for a drive, just less than -5 vacuum stuff, no boost. We logged everything just sort of to get the hang of what logging looks like, and to come up with a nice gauge panel with everything we need.

After that, Brian came over and also wanted to go for a ride, so we went out, and with a more comfortable grip on how evoscan works, we set the boost gauge to alert audibly at 1psi. I slowly accelerated a few times until we actually saw some positive pressure, about 1 or 2 psi. Anyhow, there was a little knock, like 5or6 at the highest. Then, I noticed the open loop thresholds are waaay high, because the lancer runs on "low octane" settings all the time. I'm going to flash those down a bit tomorrow, like 70 load or so in the low rpm, and maybe 40 or 30 in the higher rpm range.

On a side note, as far as open thresholds...I have 03 lances roms from when he ran the stock rom, as well as a few people's evo roms....

Should I be in open loop just before boost, significantly before, or right as I boost?
This Open Loop thing has always confused me. That is why I switched to forced open loop so I would not have to think soo much about whether or not my knock is from not switching over soon enough or what lol. Just took one more variable out for me. Plus it allows me to run leaner in cruise which really helps my highway mileage
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Old Nov 1, 2010 | 09:33 PM
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This Open Loop thing has always confused me. That is why I switched to forced open loop so I would not have to think soo much about whether or not my knock is from not switching over soon enough or what lol. Just took one more variable out for me. Plus it allows me to run leaner in cruise which really helps my highway mileage
hey what are your open loop settings? these are mine

500- 86.875
1000- 86.875
1500- 88.125
2000- 88.125
2500- 88.125
3000- 88.125
3500- 88.75
4000- 85.625
4500- 84.375
5000- 84.375
5500- 84.375
6000- 71.25
6500- 66.25
7000- 61.875
7500- 52.5

this is for open loop #1 im not sure which one the car runs on?
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Old Nov 2, 2010 | 12:43 AM
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I have both open loop table set to 10 this way its always in open loop no matter what
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Old Nov 2, 2010 | 01:38 AM
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I have both open loop table set to 10 this way its always in open loop no matter what
what do you mean by 10?

I switched all the open loops back to the tephra mod which seems to work pretty good so far. You can say almost everything is from the tephra mod except the timing and fuel.

here is one of my logs from earlier I keep getting these lean spots and I cant seem to figure out why because my fuel map doesnt have that part JRR was talking about
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Old Nov 2, 2010 | 07:55 AM
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The open loop settings in the evo roms appear to be typically at about 90-100 in the low RPM, and maybe 70 or so in the upper RPM....which if I understand correctly is right as boost starts in an evo. So, with my stock rom, I will be setting open loop at about 60 or so...right before boost starts to kick in. I am also going to try and log the MAP sensor, to see if it can tell me "you are now positive pressure", even though I know it only logs like 3psi or something, it will at least tell me something. I'd like a nice curve of RPM vs Load, where I can see the switch from Vac to boost...that's my best option as of now to accurately by some sort of quantifiable means set the open loop thresholds.
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Old Nov 2, 2010 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by steven121
hey what are your open loop settings? these are mine

500- 86.875
1000- 86.875
1500- 88.125
2000- 88.125
2500- 88.125
3000- 88.125
3500- 88.75
4000- 85.625
4500- 84.375
5000- 84.375
5500- 84.375
6000- 71.25
6500- 66.25
7000- 61.875
7500- 52.5

this is for open loop #1 im not sure which one the car runs on?
What I mean is for both of my open loop load tables I have 10 in all of my rows meaning whenever I am above 10 load in any rpm range (which is 100% of the time) I am in open loop so my car never uses the front 02 sensor and always uses the fuel maps
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Old Nov 2, 2010 | 10:00 AM
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I don't think I want to go the route of total open loop just yet. I will be setting things low, and making sure I'm in open loop by the 02feedbacktrim going to 0 (right?). Also, what are your thoughts on logging MAP sensor data? I can choose Boost (MAP), JDM Map or MAP Scaled. I'm pretty sure I want to try to log JDM Map, just since the formula is setup for subtracting based on atmospheric pressure relative to sealevel. I know the data won't be accurate except perhaps right at like 0 or 1 psi and down...still, might be helpful. Anyone else do this?
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