What's to be confused about? You don't need custom axles, just use the ones that your car came with. The specific 4G64's to use has been explained since the first page (2000 on up versions of all the models listed). Yeah, its alot of info. But if you read thoroughly those have been answered already. Redundant questioning is just making it harder to reference the info within.

 

True. But no one has given a straight answer yet. I've been doing quite a bit of research myself, on this forum, other eclipse and 4G64 specific forums, and on the internet in general. I really haven't found anything for this engine. In fact, I found a few sites where the turbo upgrade for the engine has been discontinued. And this was the whole point of the swap, opening up options for the car with another engine's aftermarket support. This kinda puts us back to square one. We are generally stuck below the 200 hp mark. Now I know that what is available can put us over that mark, but its really dependant on individual tuning and the size of your wallet.

 

But the thing to realize is that this block is pretty much the evo engine without the turbo, if I'm not mistaken, you can use an evo 8 turbo kit on this engine, not to mention mate the evo head onto the 4g64, the possiblites are there, and they are having good gains. Realize that the engine is made of steel, rather than the crappy aluminum that the 4g94 is made of, and the PSI can be higher than you can push the stock engine. My stump, as I said before is just makin the manual transmission work, because I have an automatic so I'm doin a tranny swap at the sametime. That's my only concern as of right now.

 

[quote=Jehuty;4718247]But the thing to realize is that this block is pretty much the evo engine without the turbo, if I'm not mistaken, you can use an evo 8 turbo kit on this engine, not to mention mate the evo head onto the 4g64, the possiblites are there, and they are having good gains.[quote]

Then why are eclipse owners attempting their own custom kits only to give up?

I realize that the 4G64 engine can take a better beating, but:
1. How is its output on its own stock?
2. How much to upgrade to turbo?

In the end, it may not not be so cost effective to swap. And we may only be marginally better than the RRM turbo guys. That's what I'm concerned about. And even if we can put down some crazy hp numbers, how much can this FWD car actually handle. Cuz, you know, FWD cars tend to be more and more ineffective as the hp goes up.

Anyway, that's why I'm asking. To determine for myself if this is really the way to go for me. I don't want my daily driver bucking everytime I go up a hill in the rain.

Also, this wasn't even my main concern. I'm asking about fitment of other stuff. I've bought a few things under the hood, and if most can't even be used because the new engine is in the way, then again it may not be the right choice for me...

 

marginally better? There are guys making 400hp on the 4g64 on club3g.com compared to the 170-180hp rrm turbo kits. As for cost, this is of course more, off the top of my head.. 2k for the swap, 3k to turbo it (sound right?) but if you got the money, this has way more potential then the g94 would ever have.

my question is, i know that some guys at club3g have done a direct 4g63 evo swap into 3g eclipses, and if the eclipse engine will fit into the lancer, could we just drop an already turboed evo engine into the base lancer?

 

Guam raised a very good point, what is the point in having 400 hp when you're putting it through 2 wheels? Traction is a major issue at 200 whp let alone when you get above 300 whp. Are you doing it to have a faster car (in which case you'll see reduced returns as you go up in power) or are you doing it just to say you have X hp? I don't think the 4G63 head bolts right up to the 4G64 block, I think there is some modifications needed. The 4G63 is not a direct swap into the lancer, someone has done this and it cost them 10000$. This doesn't mean it'll cost everyone that but it's something to prepare for.

 

Thanks Amby. So again, that's why I'm asking. I'm just shooting for 250hp. If it is cheaper to go this route, as RPM said. Then I'll do this. If not, since I live on a little rock way out in the Pacific (8 hours from Hawaii, S&H might be a B... to import used engines etc.), then I'm going with RRM. Their turbo kit is tried and true, and I don't have a true tuning shop out here.

 

I said MAY be marginally better. As with everything here, it depends on supporting mods and the quality of the tune. As for the RRM kits, RRM has stated they can handle up 300hp with proper ingredients. But they're a tad expensive. Which is why I started looking on this thread. RPM's total on this project had me considering it. I'm not interested in a HP monster...

 

I agree with you guy 110% with the FWD factor, I'm honestly doing the swap just to say I did, lol. I'm not shooting for 34536435645 hp, just to have to buy new front tires every week bcuz my car can't grip the damn road, I just want to do it, ya kno?

 

What I want to know is if a 4G64 swap is possible, what specific problems make a 4G63 swap impossible? The only difference in the blocks externally is the deck height. The 64 is like 6mm taller IIRC.

As for the transmission, 4G63 transmissions fit the 4G64, so I can't imagine why a 4G64 trans wouldn't fit a 4G63. Why couldn't we use a 4G64 bell housing with Lancer internals, like the OP's swap, but with a 4G63 block?

 

my thoughts exactly, I know 4g63's from 2g eclipses are reversed, but i believe it is 03+ evos that the engine was switched around to the same orientation as ours, and if they will fit into the 3g eclipse/4g64 tranny then why not a base lancer with a 4g64 bell and lancer gears

I believe that this would be a more worth while swap then just a 4g64 swap because while the g64 has more potential then the g94, just putting in a stock g64 is not much of an improvement over the g94, spending ~3k on a g64 swap that only puts down 110whp and still needing to mod it before you can get any real power is not a real cost effective solution, how ever dropping in a g63 from an evo which puts down 240whp stock and should cost about the same on the swap but then your done, no need to mod unless you really wanted to.

 

If you only want around 250 hp (so 220 whp or so) I would just turbo the 4G94. Sure it might not save you much money, but it'll be less hassle and I would think less risk too. I don't know enough about the 4G63 and the 4G64 to answer the other questions. I think the guy who did the 4G63 swap ran into problems getting the engine to fit properly and with with the transmission.

 

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ight=4g63+swap
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ight=4g63+swap

 

which would make sense if he used the bell from the g94 or the evo's tranny but using the g64 bell with lancer gears like rpm did should solve that problem and give us a drop in evo engine.

 

I don't think it's (drop in), Mitsubishi's aren't Hondas, they tend to have little differences (or big differences) that make swapping very difficult or at least time consuming compared to the civic guys.