File off lose powder coat around the MAF opening to get a good seal. Seems like if somone calls with a CEL issue, I mention the O Ring and they go.......... What O Ring? In lies the problem.

ROAD/RACE

 

I know this is kind of late, 44 pages in, but i noticed the biggest question was hp gains and there where no dynos but people where dynoing by the seat of the pants.

Rock, Please correct me if i am wrong but, 10 hp gain you prob not going to notice in the seat, but 10+ ftq you gonna notice. an increase in air volume, without tuning, is going to give you more noticable tq and throtle responce more than anything! thats what i noticed in my 3 and my tC.

on 3 did SR intake first and got 7 hp but got 13 ftq. did CAI next got 13 hp and 22 ftq. on tC SR got 9 hp and 15 ftq and CAI got 12 hp and 18 ftq. huge diff in the seat but untill you crack 50+ hp increase at one time, you are really feeling throtle responce and tq input!

Like i said, no expert, but this is how i understand it.


Scott

 

yea scott I have been wanting to know how much more pep this SRI adds is it 3-5 hp??

 

Sorry bro, I have not gotten the intake yet. That post was just the info I had from my 2 previous cars. Never know till you dyno.

Some people suffer from placebo affect with aftermarket parts. They put on the intake, header, exhaust, and sometimes intake manifold thinking they just put on 120 hp b/c the car is faster and much quicker off the line. They dyno it and find out its like 40 hp and get upset never looking at the tq.

Lots of people are crazy about hp. Well I cant tell you how many 200+ hp Civics I have seen with 130 ftq. Hp is great but you really need a balanced gain of both to really get the trap times and course times you want. If it came down to it and a parts manufacture said they could give me 1 of 2 parts, one will give you 100 hp and 30 ftq, the other will give you 30 hp and 100 ftq, I would take the second one!

This is one reason a few of my friends are crazy about super chargers. In most cases, you get all your tq in the first 1000 rpms and it stays there through red line; and the hp curve is a nice 45 degree angle across the dyno sheet.

For some people, hp is what sells them on a car or a particular aftermarket part, but tq is what really gets you moving.

Also, dont for get the sum of the parts together "MAY" be better than the numbers they produce on thier own. You "MIGHT" get 10 hp from an intake, 15 from a header, 10 from and exhaust, and 15 from and intake manifold sepratly but on the dyno with all installed you might turn out 80 or 90 hp.

Also, GET A BASE LINE DYNO FIRST BEFORE ADDING PARTS! People always forget to do this and then have nothing to compare it to. You could use someone elses baseline, but I have seen a friend of mine dyno his car stock, and another one of our friends dyno a different car (same make model and year with same motor) and get a 10 hp difference between them.

Scott

 

thats good info wow 8-10! thanks for the info Scott

 

I'm sorry but you guys are absolutely crazy if you think an intake is going to give you 10+ hp, that's nuts. STis don't gain that for god's sake let alone an NA 2.0 liter 4-banger. Buy the intake because you want an intake (it does sound awesome and looks great in the engine bay) not because you're looking to build a race car.

 

I agree with amby. A lot of big numbers are being thrown around by people who don't even have the part. That's always a good way to confuse people.

To my knowledge, no one has dynoed a stock Lancer and then a Lancer with SRI. So we do not know how much HP the SRI gives. PERIOD.

 

Another great use, if done right, is increae fuel milage!

 

But you're missing the point. Depsite your little diatribe on the evils of STI modding, you seem to be forgetting that N/A modding isn't always "bolt on SRI, gain 10 HP" - if you'd like to understand amby and I better, look into our Lancer histories. Both of us slapped thousands of dollars worth of bolt-ons, hopped on the dyno and found tiny gains (if anything). Don't just assume that your Lancer will be just like your tC was. Because if I assume that this Lancer will be just like my 2002 was, I'd be leaving it stock...

 

Exactly, you completely missed the point (and made some other mistakes in the process). Until there is dyno proof that these parts give you such massive gains, I would suggest remaining conservative. Moreover, you threw out all these big numbers, but where's the proof? Please tell me you aren't using a G-tech pro or the manufacturer's numbers.

 

WOW, I said it was realistic, NOT proven fact! B/C the very next line says, "you never know untill you dyno!" There are cars out there, that are NA, that have gotten thoes gains. It is reasonable to "GUESS" that it is POSSIBLE with this one! Key word "POSSIBLE".

What I haven't been doing is constanly comparing FI cars to NA cars. Or saying that bolt-ons will net you V8 strength from a I4.

I am totaly right there with you guy about this. But I never said "Oh yeah, you will deff get 20 hp out of a filter and an adapter!" I posted what I got out of my other cars. If i still had the paperwork from the Dyno Jet (gave papers to new owners) i would post them. They where both custom aplications, and both worked out great. There are some cars, very very few, that respond well to bolt-ons, but these two did.

By all means, if you want to really build a car, start with one thats designed for it or start from the ground up. There is so much more potential if you dive in whole hartedly instead of buying toy parts.

Amby is right, if you want an intake, buy one b/c it looks and sounds nice without the expectation of high or even moderate hp and tq gains. They might or might not happen.

BlackSheep is also right, I should not have even mentioned a number, ireguardless of what other cars have made. This car is different from all others, even same make and model.

My most sincere appologizes to everyone here, May the forum gods forgive me and have mercey on my soul!

Sorry guys, i will caviot all my post from now on with the "i dont really know but my oppinion is..." phrase.

 

It's not even close to realistic, I'm sorry but that's absurd. Yes there are cars out there that show relatively large gains for small bolt-ons but they are either A. exceptions to the rule or B. sports cars. You are talking about a 150 hp, 4-banger econobox, not a 400 hp corvette (which according to K&N shows around a 10 hp gain if you look in Car and Driver, Road & Track, etc). A 10 hp gain is a 6% gain in power, which is nuts and nothing to laugh at. That would be a 12 hp gain on an STI or an evo, which doesn't come easily (relatively speaking). Given the current evidence at hand (the dynos from current lancer owners), it seems that bolt-ons are again not a high HP route. That doesn't mean their pointless, it just means that Mitsubishi has once again not produced a Honda.

 

I have edited my other post for content. I will just refrain from talking numbers unless there is proof.

I really am sorry guys! I am not trying to make light of the situation at all.

 

It's no problem. Mostly it's just something you're not used to. As old-school Lancer owners, amby and I have been seeing false claims and high expectations for nearly 5 years each (we both joined in 2003).

The 4G94 Lancer just did not respond much to bolt-ons. But people didn't get that, so they'd expect a 10hp gain from an intake but that just didn't happen.

We're trying to avoid the 2008 owners having the same high expectations followed by very sad dyno results... No offense is meant towards you. It's just that throwing out a guess can cause problems on the board. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many people read "here's my guess" and then turn that into "this is Gospel, go tell everyone". So it's not you that's the problem, it's many other people.

 

This is my first Mitsu. Not really getting into the performance side at all with gas prices at $3.25+ for regular in Vegas. Just trying to share my experiance with my other cars, but I get that they are nothing alike and should expect the results to vary greatly!

Has anyone figured out what makes them so hard to get power out of them? The Mazda protege had the same issue! It was all managements though, piggyback and custom map it and there where crazy gains. The MSpeed Proto was impossible to deal with, even with the piggyback. It hated being modded at all.

But my 3 and my tC both did great. Then again the Proto was a 2.0 the 3 was a 2.3 and the tC a 2.4. Can that difference in displacement make that big a difference? I still think its tq and throtle responce people are feeling. Am I in the ballpark with that? We had a few friends with tuned out Civics, both making over 250 hp but one only had 190+ tq and the other was making 240+ tq and was much stronger and faster. Thats where I got that observation from!

What else was I F'ed up on? I want to know so I don't post more all over the forum or be the butt of everyones jokes. I have some (not tons) of experience but I'm no Haynes Manual!

Thanks for the help guys!

Scott