Evo X vs. Evo VIII and IX
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I think the 9 is a fantastic car, and although I personally think the X is the better OVERALL car, there are things I still like better about the 9; iron block, better factory tune, better power to weight ratio, and better gearing. Things I like about the X: better cylinder head and bore/stroke ratio, MIVEC on both cams, better chassis, wider track, suspension geometry that doesn't bump steer like the CT9A, stronger tranny, more advanced AWD system and AYC. The 9 is a better platform for drag racing, the X is a better platform for road racing. It really depends on your tastes in style and your intentions with the car.
I think the 9 is a fantastic car, and although I personally think the X is the better OVERALL car, there are things I still like better about the 9; iron block, better factory tune, better power to weight ratio, and better gearing. Things I like about the X: better cylinder head and bore/stroke ratio, MIVEC on both cams, better chassis, wider track, suspension geometry that doesn't bump steer like the CT9A, stronger tranny, more advanced AWD system and AYC. The 9 is a better platform for drag racing, the X is a better platform for road racing. It really depends on your tastes in style and your intentions with the car.
I think the CT9A is equally suited, it just needs some fixes for some of the major suspension geometry.
The only thing I thought X really had was a stiffer chassis, and the AYC. The AYC can be matched with an upgraded rear diff, and the CT9A can be stiffened overall, while still retaining it's lighter weight.
I disagree about the platform thing..
I think the CT9A is equally suited, it just needs some fixes for some of the major suspension geometry.
The only thing I thought X really had was a stiffer chassis, and the AYC. The AYC can be matched with an upgraded rear diff, and the CT9A can be stiffened overall, while still retaining it's lighter weight.
I think the CT9A is equally suited, it just needs some fixes for some of the major suspension geometry.
The only thing I thought X really had was a stiffer chassis, and the AYC. The AYC can be matched with an upgraded rear diff, and the CT9A can be stiffened overall, while still retaining it's lighter weight.
how can be equal if you need some fixes to match to the other one?
you dont know the X potential , neither i or anybody.
And the potential is different then being equal.
Not to mention, away it stands today, the X has a pretty big potential . Where the IX really not match.
What i mean? look after less then a year racing where the Ix did stand. Or go back and look where the VIII was in 04, i dont even talking about 03...which would be a fair thing.
DO they broke any track record or so?
No, the X came out in 08 and did broke track record /where other evos run over 5 years/
Not once. And look up the Champ this year, Oh the X.
And you know it too, there was many CT9A in that class.
So the potential is defenietly there . Big time.
And the potential is different then being equal.
Not to mention, away it stands today, the X has a pretty big potential . Where the IX really not match.
What i mean? look after less then a year racing where the Ix did stand. Or go back and look where the VIII was in 04, i dont even talking about 03...which would be a fair thing.
DO they broke any track record or so?
No, the X came out in 08 and did broke track record /where other evos run over 5 years/
Not once. And look up the Champ this year, Oh the X.
And you know it too, there was many CT9A in that class.
So the potential is defenietly there . Big time.
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I disagree about the platform thing..
I think the CT9A is equally suited, it just needs some fixes for some of the major suspension geometry.
The only thing I thought X really had was a stiffer chassis, and the AYC. The AYC can be matched with an upgraded rear diff, and the CT9A can be stiffened overall, while still retaining it's lighter weight.
I think the CT9A is equally suited, it just needs some fixes for some of the major suspension geometry.
The only thing I thought X really had was a stiffer chassis, and the AYC. The AYC can be matched with an upgraded rear diff, and the CT9A can be stiffened overall, while still retaining it's lighter weight.
Yeah but kyooch, you need to realize that there are certain things that are just fundamental to the design of the X that the 9 just can't match; there's no amount of chassis bracing that will bring the CT9A up to the torsional rigidity of the CZ4A, period. Even though the X's geometry is better than the 9's, there are still improvements to be made, as nothing is perfect. If you heavily mod the 9 to address weak spots, then it's only fair to equally mod the X. You seem to think that the 9 is better than the X in every way, or can be made to be better and that's just not the case. There are certain improvements made to the X that no upgrade to your 9 can match, and likewise for us X guys, there are certain losses that can't be gained back. Modding is all based on the platform being used, and there are certain core fundamental differences from one chassis to the next that can't be matched with a simple bolt on part. The 9 has it's advantages, and the X has it's advantages. End of story.
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you dont know the X potential , neither i or anybody.
And the potential is different then being equal.
Not to mention, away it stands today, the X has a pretty big potential . Where the IX really not match.
What i mean? look after less then a year racing where the Ix did stand. Or go back and look where the VIII was in 04, i dont even talking about 03...which would be a fair thing.
DO they broke any track record or so?
No, the X came out in 08 and did broke track record /where other evos run over 5 years/
Not once. And look up the Champ this year, Oh the X.
And you know it too, there was many CT9A in that class.
So the potential is defenietly there . Big time.
And the potential is different then being equal.
Not to mention, away it stands today, the X has a pretty big potential . Where the IX really not match.
What i mean? look after less then a year racing where the Ix did stand. Or go back and look where the VIII was in 04, i dont even talking about 03...which would be a fair thing.
DO they broke any track record or so?
No, the X came out in 08 and did broke track record /where other evos run over 5 years/
Not once. And look up the Champ this year, Oh the X.
And you know it too, there was many CT9A in that class.
So the potential is defenietly there . Big time.
What track record did the X break?
And that was the NASA TT. And the CT9A still won in the Super Lap Battle. However the times were so close it was the finishing was pretty much negligible. Both cars were well modded with lots of suspension work and revised rear differentials.
The X chassis has had great suspension development and stock geometry, and I'm sure 90% of what suspension set ups work best is already known, due to technology and testing developments.
Yeah but kyooch, you need to realize that there are certain things that are just fundamental to the design of the X that the 9 just can't match; there's no amount of chassis bracing that will bring the CT9A up to the torsional rigidity of the CZ4A, period. Even though the X's geometry is better than the 9's, there are still improvements to be made, as nothing is perfect. If you heavily mod the 9 to address weak spots, then it's only fair to equally mod the X. You seem to think that the 9 is better than the X in every way, or can be made to be better and that's just not the case. There are certain improvements made to the X that no upgrade to your 9 can match, and likewise for us X guys, there are certain losses that can't be gained back. Modding is all based on the platform being used, and there are certain core fundamental differences from one chassis to the next that can't be matched with a simple bolt on part. The 9 has it's advantages, and the X has it's advantages. End of story.
It's true that mods necessary for the CT9A- bump steer, trailing arm bushings etc., for improvement can be also made on the X, but it won't hold as significant of an improvement for the X, because the suspension and geometry are already so great.
What weakspots are there really in the X's suspension?? I mean things can always be improved, but while I'm saying those things will hold more improvement for the IX because it's inherently worse off from the start, you're saying they'll hold an equal amount of improvement for the X, even though it's already good.
I'm not saying everything can be match for match - the X chassis will always be better, but improvements for the IX will be more significant because it started off worse.
After the chassis improvement, I think AYC was the biggest improvement next - which I'm saying can also almost be matched by a new rear diff for the IX.. But for the X, how much better can you get than the s-ayc?
In the end, I'm saying the starting points are different for both cars, with the X having much better suspension development, but the ending points will be much closer because the fixes hold much more value for the CT9A. The ending poitns still won't be the same however, because the improvements inherent in the X still holds its superiority, but I think those are matched by the CT9A's inherent lighter weight.
Oh no, I definitely agree that chassis is much stiffer, and no it's not something that can be matched with simple bracings. That's just one of the pure and simple advantages of the X. However the IX can be braced much stiffer, though not as much as how much stiffer a X can be.
It's true that mods necessary for the CT9A- bump steer, trailing arm bushings etc., for improvement can be also made on the X, but it won't hold as significant of an improvement for the X, because the suspension and geometry are already so great.
What weakspots are there really in the X's suspension?? I mean things can always be improved, but while I'm saying those things will hold more improvement for the IX because it's inherently worse off from the start, you're saying they'll hold an equal amount of improvement for the X, even though it's already good.
I'm not saying everything can be match for match - the X chassis will always be better, but improvements for the IX will be more significant because it started off worse.
After the chassis improvement, I think AYC was the biggest improvement next - which I'm saying can also almost be matched by a new rear diff for the IX.. But for the X, how much better can you get than the s-ayc?
In the end, I'm saying the starting points are different for both cars, with the X having much better suspension development, but the ending points will be much closer because the fixes hold much more value for the CT9A. The ending poitns still won't be the same however, because the improvements inherent in the X still holds its superiority, but I think those are matched by the CT9A's inherent lighter weight.
It's true that mods necessary for the CT9A- bump steer, trailing arm bushings etc., for improvement can be also made on the X, but it won't hold as significant of an improvement for the X, because the suspension and geometry are already so great.
What weakspots are there really in the X's suspension?? I mean things can always be improved, but while I'm saying those things will hold more improvement for the IX because it's inherently worse off from the start, you're saying they'll hold an equal amount of improvement for the X, even though it's already good.
I'm not saying everything can be match for match - the X chassis will always be better, but improvements for the IX will be more significant because it started off worse.
After the chassis improvement, I think AYC was the biggest improvement next - which I'm saying can also almost be matched by a new rear diff for the IX.. But for the X, how much better can you get than the s-ayc?
In the end, I'm saying the starting points are different for both cars, with the X having much better suspension development, but the ending points will be much closer because the fixes hold much more value for the CT9A. The ending poitns still won't be the same however, because the improvements inherent in the X still holds its superiority, but I think those are matched by the CT9A's inherent lighter weight.
"In the end, I'm saying the starting points are different for both cars, with the X having much better suspension development, but the ending points will be much closer because the fixes hold much more value for the CT9A. The ending poitns still won't be the same however, because the improvements inherent in the X still holds its superiority, but I think those are matched by the CT9A's inherent lighter weight."
this statement is true for many many cars...
We are in the tuner scene
Oh no, I definitely agree that chassis is much stiffer, and no it's not something that can be matched with simple bracings. That's just one of the pure and simple advantages of the X. However the IX can be braced much stiffer, though not as much as how much stiffer a X can be.
It's true that mods necessary for the CT9A- bump steer, trailing arm bushings etc., for improvement can be also made on the X, but it won't hold as significant of an improvement for the X, because the suspension and geometry are already so great.
What weakspots are there really in the X's suspension?? I mean things can always be improved, but while I'm saying those things will hold more improvement for the IX because it's inherently worse off from the start, you're saying they'll hold an equal amount of improvement for the X, even though it's already good.
I'm not saying everything can be match for match - the X chassis will always be better, but improvements for the IX will be more significant because it started off worse.
After the chassis improvement, I think AYC was the biggest improvement next - which I'm saying can also almost be matched by a new rear diff for the IX.. But for the X, how much better can you get than the s-ayc?
In the end, I'm saying the starting points are different for both cars, with the X having much better suspension development, but the ending points will be much closer because the fixes hold much more value for the CT9A. The ending poitns still won't be the same however, because the improvements inherent in the X still holds its superiority, but I think those are matched by the CT9A's inherent lighter weight.
It's true that mods necessary for the CT9A- bump steer, trailing arm bushings etc., for improvement can be also made on the X, but it won't hold as significant of an improvement for the X, because the suspension and geometry are already so great.
What weakspots are there really in the X's suspension?? I mean things can always be improved, but while I'm saying those things will hold more improvement for the IX because it's inherently worse off from the start, you're saying they'll hold an equal amount of improvement for the X, even though it's already good.
I'm not saying everything can be match for match - the X chassis will always be better, but improvements for the IX will be more significant because it started off worse.
After the chassis improvement, I think AYC was the biggest improvement next - which I'm saying can also almost be matched by a new rear diff for the IX.. But for the X, how much better can you get than the s-ayc?
In the end, I'm saying the starting points are different for both cars, with the X having much better suspension development, but the ending points will be much closer because the fixes hold much more value for the CT9A. The ending poitns still won't be the same however, because the improvements inherent in the X still holds its superiority, but I think those are matched by the CT9A's inherent lighter weight.
"In the end, I'm saying the starting points are different for both cars, with the X having much better suspension development, but the ending points will be much closer because the fixes hold much more value for the CT9A. The ending poitns still won't be the same however, because the improvements inherent in the X still holds its superiority, but I think those are matched by the CT9A's inherent lighter weight."
this statement is true for many many cars...
We are in the tuner scene
this statement is true for many many cars...
We are in the tuner scene
Like the IX had a superior factory tune to the X, so when getting it retuned with no mods, it didn't hold the huge gains like the X did from a horrid factory tune (not that the IX's was even that great either).
lol true true.. Please remember I'm in no way downtalking the X or its set up. I'm saying it's already great, so updates don't hold as much value:
Like the IX had a superior factory tune to the X, so when getting it retuned with no mods, it didn't hold the huge gains like the X did from a horrid factory tune (not that the IX's was even that great either).
Like the IX had a superior factory tune to the X, so when getting it retuned with no mods, it didn't hold the huge gains like the X did from a horrid factory tune (not that the IX's was even that great either).
But sadly i do not have a budget to do that ...
http://www.yourmercedes.com/pdf/cars_clkdtm.pdf
check it out and you will understand me....
Last edited by Robevo RS; Dec 10, 2008 at 12:42 PM.