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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 12:29 PM
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 12:30 PM
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How does it prove that? His link is about a completely different car. The Ford engineers have said the problem is due to an overly efficient design, hence why they feel the blocking plates will be effective.
my point is that this is not "because the intercooler cools too much" if that was the case that would be a very common problem with a lot of cars. there are tons of people out there with massively overkill intercoolers out there.

ugh, nvm, i give up again, hopefully for good this time
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 12:37 PM
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my point is that this is not "because the intercooler cools too much" if that was the case that would be a very common problem with a lot of cars. there are tons of people out there with massively overkill intercoolers out there.

ugh, nvm, i give up again, hopefully for good this time
Just let it go and step away from the table, its really not worth it. College and university and all that blah blah talk none of us are Ford engineers that made this magical intercooler that freezes air because its so uber ultra efficient.
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 12:44 PM
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Now it freezes air?

Oh internets.
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 12:47 PM
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Now it freezes air?

Oh internets.
So what exactly does it do, or would the intent be of this ultra capacity efficient intercooler? To the point were they basically block or for us dumb folks disable the function of the unit to 'function properly'

- Its a good thing turbocharged airplane engines don't have this problem they would be falling out of the sky left and right... maybe they are just not built FORD tough lol
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 12:50 PM
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Have you not been following along? It appears that the high efficiency of the intercooler means that under some environments, it cools the charge to ambient temperatures resulting in condensation building up in the piping. This appears to be something that other cars do in fact suffer from, if the link posted earlier regarding an Evo is any indication. It's also worth keeping in mind that we may be seeing a sampling problem; the people putting massive aftermarket intercoolers on their cars likely drive harder than the mundane driving conditions that can give rise to this issue.
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 12:51 PM
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okay fine, but you typed "belt" instead of "melt", so we all make mistakes. so neener, neener.

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Damn, you caught me.
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Ralliart004
Just let it go and step away from the table, its really not worth it. College and university and all that blah blah talk none of us are Ford engineers that made this magical intercooler that freezes air because its so uber ultra efficient.
but but, somebody is wrong on the interwebs... its so hard to step away!
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 12:53 PM
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Damn, you caught me.
it's okay. i was redundant with the word "so". my English teacher would kill me. even more so because i'm too lazy to capitalize my sentences. LOL
we're all going to hell in a hand basket.
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
Have you not been following along? It appears that the high efficiency of the intercooler means that under some environments, it cools the charge to ambient temperatures resulting in condensation building up in the piping. This appears to be something that other cars do in fact suffer from, if the link posted earlier regarding an Evo is any indication. It's also worth keeping in mind that we may be seeing a sampling problem; the people putting massive aftermarket intercoolers on their cars likely drive harder than the mundane driving conditions that can give rise to this issue.

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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
Have you not been following along? It appears that the high efficiency of the intercooler means that under some environments, it cools the charge to ambient temperatures resulting in condensation building up in the piping. This appears to be something that other cars do in fact suffer from, if the link posted earlier regarding an Evo is any indication. It's also worth keeping in mind that we may be seeing a sampling problem; the people putting massive aftermarket intercoolers on their cars likely drive harder than the mundane driving conditions that can give rise to this issue.
And I thought no one read my post...lol
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 01:03 PM
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I do not buy into their reasoning for the block off plate. Like others have said, there are plenty of turbo cars out there running massive fmic's seemingly without condensation issues. Yet, numerous Ford forums have people complaining of this issue.

There is simply no way the Ford OEM intercooler is more efficient than a larger Garrett core.
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 01:05 PM
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My intercooler condenses oil like a champ. Stands to reason that in a highly humid environment, in a car that never gets driven hard that water would also condense and possibly accumulate.
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
I do not buy into their reasoning for the block off plate. Like others have said, there are plenty of turbo cars out there running massive fmic's seemingly without condensation issues. Yet, numerous Ford forums have people complaining of this issue.

There is simply no way the Ford OEM intercooler is more efficient than a larger Garrett core.
Cool, I guess you know more about a car you've never seen than the guys who actually designed it. Again, the complaints are about a different vehicle, with a different design. I don't understand what you find so difficult about that concept.

Are you also ignoring the condensation issues another poster posted about?
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 01:14 PM
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My intercooler condenses oil like a champ. Stands to reason that in a highly humid environment, in a car that never gets driven hard that water would also condense and possibly accumulate.
thats exactly my point. the fact that there's a temp difference like that makes condensation a guarantee. the difference is, it doesn't have a place to pool up/collect in a large enough quantity. so that when you floor it and go full boost and all the water thats there gets pushed into your engine, its not enough to cause an issue. and under certain conditions, there is a place somewhere in the intercooler and/or piping of the FoRS to collect in a large enough quantity to cause an issue.

if you know the basics of how a turbo'd engine and intercoolers work, and basic condensation, I don't see how you could not understand this. (not directly at you letsgetthisdone)

and as far as what the engineer said, you gotta read between the lines. of course he's not gonna come out and say our flow design was crappy. if you pay attention, he never said it cools to well, he kinda sorta reluctantly agreed with the ultra fanboi car throttle guy.




damn it, got sucked back in. at least i wasn't replying to amby
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