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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 01:17 PM
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Are you also ignoring the condensation issues another poster posted about?
Do you mean this one https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...take-rain.html

If so, that OP is talking about water after swapping to an ETS intake. Or are you saying the ETS intake made his fmic super efficient, like a Ford?
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
Do you mean this one https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...take-rain.html

If so, that OP is talking about water after swapping to an ETS intake on what appears to be a stock fmic (since he makes no mention of an aftermarket fmic). Or are you saying the ETS intake made his fmic super efficient, like a Ford?
From his sig.

DEPO 3.5" Intercooler w/ piping
Appears to be a problem for more than just Ford.

VW

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?p=2956315

Dodge

http://www.duramaxforum.com/forum/01...oler-pipe.html
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 01:29 PM
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I will yield that all turbo cars likely develop "some" condensation in the intercoolers. But Fords seem to be having an issue of enough moisture developing that it actually interferes with the engine (making it sluggish and such). The question is why? Ford says their intercooler is too efficient. Yet the WRC Focus doesn't appear to have a block off plate, is that intercooler not as efficient?
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
I will yield that all turbo cars likely develop "some" condensation in the intercoolers. But Fords seem to be having an issue of enough moisture developing that it actually interferes with the engine (making it sluggish and such). The question is why? Ford says their intercooler is too efficient. Yet the WRC Focus doesn't appear to have a block off plate, is that intercooler not as efficient?
One Ford has this problem: the F150.

Really, are you trying to compare a street driven vehicle to a ****ing WRC race car? A race car that runs a completely different setup, and is driven flatout all the time?

I can't even.
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
One Ford has this problem: the F150.
Clearly, the Focus RS ALSO has this problem. Why else would Ford have added the block off plate? Ford admitted as much in their reasoning for it.
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
Clearly, the Focus RS ALSO has this problem. Why else would Ford have added the block off plate?
No it doesn't. Find me one Ford Focus RS in the hands of a customer with this problem.
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Robevo RS
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/how...-was-too-cool/

"...Ford discovered that in particularly humid conditions, the intercooler was working too efficiently, which caused a build up of water vapour. And because water in an engine is bad news, Ford searched through its parts bin and took the same blanking plate that it used for its diesel Transit van intercoolers and placed it over the intercoolers of the Focus RSs. "
It was already explained in this thread. Ford is saying the plate is there to prevent water vapor build up. Seems like its also an issue in the Ford Transit van.

So why doesn't any other manufacturer require a block off plate?
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 01:46 PM
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Actually, when my turbo was leaking really bad, it pooled a good amount of oil in the LICP.
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
It was already explained in this thread. Ford is saying the plate is there to prevent water vapor build up. Seems like its also an issue in the Ford Transit van.

So why doesn't any other manufacturer require a block off plate?
Again, a different vehicle. So now a Ford transit van is an RS? Seriously, find me one Ford Focus RS driven on the streets today with this problem.

I have no idea, dude. You're asking a pointless question. Why do different cars show different design flaws? I think that's pretty self-explanatory.
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
Do you mean this one https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...take-rain.html

If so, that OP is talking about water after swapping to an ETS intake. Or are you saying the ETS intake made his fmic super efficient, like a Ford?
Unless he splashing through rivers with this Evo, the intake is not taking in water.
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
Unless he splashing through rivers with this Evo, the intake is not taking in water.
Again, a small amount of water in the evo fmic does not appear to cause any engine issues. While the amount of water in the F150, Van, and presumably RS (since they added the block of plate) is an issue for the ecoboost engine. I still do not understand why Ford has this issue.
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 02:17 PM
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I have no idea what's going on in this thread any more, other than mountains of sour grapes.

The Ford Focus RS is awesome. Ford is awesome for actually building an AWD, turbo car for us in 2016 when the Evo is out of the picture and the STI has had basically the same motor for over a decade now. Hopefully this spurs some more innovation from the other automakers as well.

I'm excited to see where the aftermarket takes the Focus RS, too.

Now someone come steal my wife's car so I can buy her a nice, new Focus RS with the insurance money.
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Construct
I have no idea what's going on in this thread any more, other than mountains of sour grapes.
Arguing about minutiae out into the weeds = great entertainment

+1 that we get another car to flog! Ford could have easily just taken their ball and gone home then thumbed their noses at the enthusiasts.

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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 02:20 PM
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Agreed. If nothing else I'm hopeful it kicks Subaru in the pants to actually innovate something. To me the STI is out, its all about the Golf R and Focus RS right now. Unless of course you have an Evo IX, then you're golden
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Dallas J
Agreed. If nothing else I'm hopeful it kicks Subaru in the pants to actually innovate something. To me the STI is out, its all about the Golf R and Focus RS right now. Unless of course you have an Evo IX, then you're golden
I love my IX, but I always wonder what I'd replace it with if something happened to it. Some guy in a BMW almost took me out on the freeway today while he fumbled with his phone. I suppose my whole life should have flashed before my eyes in those split seconds, but instead, I found myself wondering what the lead time is on a Focus RS.
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