Focus RS
It's 170lbs heavier than a decade old Evo 9 MR. For a car that doesn't have an aluminum roof, hood,fenders and suspension arms, a heavy hatch, more airbags, etc I don't see that as too bad.
It's also 70lbs lighter than an Evo 10, a car that doesn't seem to have issues with it's weight.
I won't even start with the car worlds "do no wrong" darling... the GTR, that is 380lbs heavier than the RS.
Most of you guys need to be on the Lotus forum or something.
It's also 70lbs lighter than an Evo 10, a car that doesn't seem to have issues with it's weight.
I won't even start with the car worlds "do no wrong" darling... the GTR, that is 380lbs heavier than the RS.
Most of you guys need to be on the Lotus forum or something.
My Evo 8 on scales, with only small battery (Odyssey PC960) and removed trunk tools/spare wheel lightening measures, 3110lb.
With 1/3 full fuel tank.
As of today, with lighter aftermarket front seats, lighter wheels, light exhaust, still with Airbags and all other stock equipment, I think I've lost 60lb easily, for that 3050lb total wet weight on scales.
I have to believe my 2005 is within 100-200lb of any equipment Evo 8/9 CT9A in OEM specification.
Evo X has same issue as RS, its awesome chassis and capable drivetrain but has crossed over in weight. As evidenced by RS311/AMS and many more including Rob and tons of ERC GrN-R4 racers it performs in competition, but I think its easy to understand why 300-500lb leaner RS (Fiesta) would make it spot on.
Wikipedia is my source for this,
The GTR is said to be 3813 to 3922lb.
The Evo 8 is said to be 2910 to 3110lb.
The Evo 9 is said to be 2880 to 3285lb.
The Evo X is said to be 3131 to 3527lb.
Focus RS is said to be 3457lb per Car and Driver..I've read elsewhere it was 3550+lb. Based on your suggestion its 380lb lighter than GTR it must be ~3550lb.
So taking the highest weight in consideration (most realistic) as listed by Vikipedia:
Evo 8/9 is easily 300lb ligther than Focus RS.
GTR is according to most a whole different level of chassis/performance in-spite of 380lb additional gerth: the girth does not go un-noticed, its just that technology exercises relentless grip on managing the mass. But for shear pleasure of driving, we can all concur a GT4 or similarly accomplished lighter/fluid chassis reins supreme over hamfisted GTR.
With 1/3 full fuel tank.
As of today, with lighter aftermarket front seats, lighter wheels, light exhaust, still with Airbags and all other stock equipment, I think I've lost 60lb easily, for that 3050lb total wet weight on scales.
I have to believe my 2005 is within 100-200lb of any equipment Evo 8/9 CT9A in OEM specification.
Evo X has same issue as RS, its awesome chassis and capable drivetrain but has crossed over in weight. As evidenced by RS311/AMS and many more including Rob and tons of ERC GrN-R4 racers it performs in competition, but I think its easy to understand why 300-500lb leaner RS (Fiesta) would make it spot on.
Wikipedia is my source for this,
The GTR is said to be 3813 to 3922lb.
The Evo 8 is said to be 2910 to 3110lb.
The Evo 9 is said to be 2880 to 3285lb.
The Evo X is said to be 3131 to 3527lb.
Focus RS is said to be 3457lb per Car and Driver..I've read elsewhere it was 3550+lb. Based on your suggestion its 380lb lighter than GTR it must be ~3550lb.
So taking the highest weight in consideration (most realistic) as listed by Vikipedia:
Evo 8/9 is easily 300lb ligther than Focus RS.
GTR is according to most a whole different level of chassis/performance in-spite of 380lb additional gerth: the girth does not go un-noticed, its just that technology exercises relentless grip on managing the mass. But for shear pleasure of driving, we can all concur a GT4 or similarly accomplished lighter/fluid chassis reins supreme over hamfisted GTR.
My Evo 8 on scales, with only small battery (Odyssey PC960) and removed trunk tools/spare wheel lightening measures, 3110lb.
With 1/3 full fuel tank.
As of today, with lighter aftermarket front seats, lighter wheels, light exhaust, still with Airbags and all other stock equipment, I think I've lost 60lb easily, for that 3050lb total wet weight on scales.
With 1/3 full fuel tank.
As of today, with lighter aftermarket front seats, lighter wheels, light exhaust, still with Airbags and all other stock equipment, I think I've lost 60lb easily, for that 3050lb total wet weight on scales.
Vorshlag captured actual real world data almost 10 years ago on actual real world evos with ZERO modifications: https://www.vorshlag.com/tech_evoweights.php
RRE did some actual real world weighing of Evo 8 and Evo 8 RS:
http://www.roadraceengineering.com/e...evoweights.htm
You also can't compare a stripped out decade plus old Evo RS to a fully optioned brand new Focus RS. Be realistic and try to compare a closer optioned Evo 9 like a MR. (6spd, leather, etc)
Listen, I've owned, modified, tuned, tracked, etc a bunch of Mitsubishis for over 20 years. I've literally owned a Mitsubishi automobile in some form since 1992. I love the cars and brand but I just cannot get my head around the Mitsubishi tunnel vision happening in this thread.
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FYI: although modified, my Evo 8 has not been modified for weight loss at time of weight measurement. Its full weight with AC/ABS and everything else including rear wiper.
If Evo 8 (Standard on RRE scales) was 3236lb with fuel and sunroof (most Evos do not have sunroof), its 2xx pounds lighter than RS 100% assuming RS weight is per Vikipedia. If RS in real life also exceeds Vikipedia posted/Ford declared Curb weight, than it could easily be 300lb heavier than RRE scaled Evo 8 with sunroof etc.
I agree that real world weight measurement and Vikipedia may not be aligned: we have to reserve the same suspicion of actual vs Curb weight for Focus RS..it very well may be 3550lb or more?
So we are back to ~300lb weight difference?
I don't know.
I am not for/against Focus RS.
I like the car, I am die hard Ford man, from the days my father had 1976 Ford Escort RS2000 Mk2!
I learned to drive on it, and drove it aplenty as kid including supporting rally teams, well before I could legally get drivers license.
I simply regret what I consider opportunity missed, i.e. making Focus RS lighter.
Do you/we not like cars that are reasonably light? If ND MX-5 can be 2250lb, why Focus RS cannot be 3000lb? Is there not enough material to add +RWD and room for rear occupants in the 750lb difference, instead it had to be 1250 or more lb heavier?
Take this as engineering critique, and a bit of an emotional cry by somebody who truly loves Ford RS and has tried to find newer than Escort MK2 (Ken Block's new Hoonigan machine is Escort RS MK2) love; even the best until 'new 16 RS - the Escort Cosworth of 1990's vintage was glorified Sierra and regretfully not a very accomplished chassis at all.
I wanted - as most of us - the new RS to be end of all ends, in the spirit of Megane RS Trophy Cup chassis, a car that is real Rally Sport, intelligently optimized for performance using best engineering practices. Lighter is better is universal performance automotive engineering ethos: had Focus RS been a 3000-3200lb car it would have been to Hot Hatch what Ford GT is to SuperCars!
Instead of being the Ford GT of Hot Hatches, I see it being Boss-Mustang of Pony Cars, great but not standing head and shoulders above the competition and for that matter an icon for ever.
Integra Type-R in 1997, and Renault Megane R26 Trophy Cup, are both iconic cars with exceptional dynamic performance standing clearly above competition still today, in the spirit of 911 GT3 RS.
That is what I wanted for the RS!!
That is what Cayman GT4 achieved!
And that is why Evo v/vi/TME are iconic.
Fiesta RS with Focus RS drivertrain: now we are talking Iconic!
If Evo 8 (Standard on RRE scales) was 3236lb with fuel and sunroof (most Evos do not have sunroof), its 2xx pounds lighter than RS 100% assuming RS weight is per Vikipedia. If RS in real life also exceeds Vikipedia posted/Ford declared Curb weight, than it could easily be 300lb heavier than RRE scaled Evo 8 with sunroof etc.
I agree that real world weight measurement and Vikipedia may not be aligned: we have to reserve the same suspicion of actual vs Curb weight for Focus RS..it very well may be 3550lb or more?
So we are back to ~300lb weight difference?
I don't know.
I am not for/against Focus RS.
I like the car, I am die hard Ford man, from the days my father had 1976 Ford Escort RS2000 Mk2!
I learned to drive on it, and drove it aplenty as kid including supporting rally teams, well before I could legally get drivers license.
I simply regret what I consider opportunity missed, i.e. making Focus RS lighter.
Do you/we not like cars that are reasonably light? If ND MX-5 can be 2250lb, why Focus RS cannot be 3000lb? Is there not enough material to add +RWD and room for rear occupants in the 750lb difference, instead it had to be 1250 or more lb heavier?
Take this as engineering critique, and a bit of an emotional cry by somebody who truly loves Ford RS and has tried to find newer than Escort MK2 (Ken Block's new Hoonigan machine is Escort RS MK2) love; even the best until 'new 16 RS - the Escort Cosworth of 1990's vintage was glorified Sierra and regretfully not a very accomplished chassis at all.
I wanted - as most of us - the new RS to be end of all ends, in the spirit of Megane RS Trophy Cup chassis, a car that is real Rally Sport, intelligently optimized for performance using best engineering practices. Lighter is better is universal performance automotive engineering ethos: had Focus RS been a 3000-3200lb car it would have been to Hot Hatch what Ford GT is to SuperCars!
Instead of being the Ford GT of Hot Hatches, I see it being Boss-Mustang of Pony Cars, great but not standing head and shoulders above the competition and for that matter an icon for ever.
Integra Type-R in 1997, and Renault Megane R26 Trophy Cup, are both iconic cars with exceptional dynamic performance standing clearly above competition still today, in the spirit of 911 GT3 RS.
That is what I wanted for the RS!!
That is what Cayman GT4 achieved!
And that is why Evo v/vi/TME are iconic.
Fiesta RS with Focus RS drivertrain: now we are talking Iconic!
not to disturb the 0-60mph post, but magazines testing the FE with only 12 hp gain vs the base GSR, run 4.3-4.4 sec. vs the RS 4.7sec probably with a special short boost option.... 
So stop calling Evo tunnel vision... there is a very solid ground why people hold an Evo as a Benchmark on the road. If you don't like it, there are very solid car forums out there you can join to hold other cars as a benchmark, and there is nothing wrong with that. ( like the Golf R or most Domestic forums are good for that)
And no one should forget the fact , the evo is one of the most underperforming car out of the door. There is almost no other car which AWD turbo, has that much potential to safely gain in performance like the EVo does. Its a well known fact for every car enthusiast. People should wrap they mind around the fact this is Mitsubishi forum so you will be find nothing but Mitsubishi cars talk.... Now the RS is already stated by the Ford factory its tuned for maximum performance with the 350 hp range. That is including the drive train etc. So we will see. What we don't know how the RS will be superior over the existing competition after real life ( including tuner scene etc) kicks in. What we do know how the Evo perfoms and performed the last 10+ years in the states at least in this forum... So yes there is a real good cause why people compere it to the Evo , even though Ford said its not relevant anymore...
Truth is coming very soon, although in a first year I think we will see a tons of butt hurt RS guys.. Only reason is ( and unfair to be honest), today I think very hard to find an unmolested Evo on road who willing to race with you. So most RS owners already think they are superior no matter what. We will see, how the stock RS guys with "a fastest car on the road" will handle the tuned competition, which probably the only ones who will willing to pick up the glove. A year later I am sure it will settle down to a mutual respect from both side. Hey I get challenged from ST guys lately ( since the RS news broke) frequently. lol Too bad I cant post dash video in here...
example for the FE:
and do not ever forget the real world fact
So stop calling Evo tunnel vision... there is a very solid ground why people hold an Evo as a Benchmark on the road. If you don't like it, there are very solid car forums out there you can join to hold other cars as a benchmark, and there is nothing wrong with that. ( like the Golf R or most Domestic forums are good for that)
And no one should forget the fact , the evo is one of the most underperforming car out of the door. There is almost no other car which AWD turbo, has that much potential to safely gain in performance like the EVo does. Its a well known fact for every car enthusiast. People should wrap they mind around the fact this is Mitsubishi forum so you will be find nothing but Mitsubishi cars talk.... Now the RS is already stated by the Ford factory its tuned for maximum performance with the 350 hp range. That is including the drive train etc. So we will see. What we don't know how the RS will be superior over the existing competition after real life ( including tuner scene etc) kicks in. What we do know how the Evo perfoms and performed the last 10+ years in the states at least in this forum... So yes there is a real good cause why people compere it to the Evo , even though Ford said its not relevant anymore...
Truth is coming very soon, although in a first year I think we will see a tons of butt hurt RS guys.. Only reason is ( and unfair to be honest), today I think very hard to find an unmolested Evo on road who willing to race with you. So most RS owners already think they are superior no matter what. We will see, how the stock RS guys with "a fastest car on the road" will handle the tuned competition, which probably the only ones who will willing to pick up the glove. A year later I am sure it will settle down to a mutual respect from both side. Hey I get challenged from ST guys lately ( since the RS news broke) frequently. lol Too bad I cant post dash video in here...
example for the FE:
and do not ever forget the real world fact
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Outside of the copious magazine online reviews are there reviews of delivered cars anywhere by consumers? As for it not being relevant anymore...at the rate they're rolling out the RS and with the lingering LE EVOs on dealer lots, you will at least have a choice for a while, in theory, between two cars dealers won't or can't let you
test drive.
test drive.
not to disturb the 0-60mph post, but magazines testing the FE with only 12 hp gain vs the base GSR, run 4.3-4.4 sec. vs the RS 4.7sec probably with a special short boost option....
So stop calling Evo tunnel vision... there is a very solid ground why people hold an Evo as a Benchmark on the road. If you don't like it, there are very solid car forums out there you can join to hold other cars as a benchmark, and there is nothing wrong with that. ( like the Golf R or most Domestic forums are good for that)
And no one should forget the fact , the evo is one of the most underperforming car out of the door. There is almost no other car which AWD turbo, has that much potential to safely gain in performance like the EVo does. Its a well known fact for every car enthusiast. People should wrap they mind around the fact this is Mitsubishi forum so you will be find nothing but Mitsubishi cars talk.... Now the RS is already stated by the Ford factory its tuned for maximum performance with the 350 hp range. That is including the drive train etc. So we will see. What we don't know how the RS will be superior over the existing competition after real life ( including tuner scene etc) kicks in. What we do know how the Evo perfoms and performed the last 10+ years in the states at least in this forum... So yes there is a real good cause why people compere it to the Evo , even though Ford said its not relevant anymore...
Truth is coming very soon, although in a first year I think we will see a tons of butt hurt RS guys.. Only reason is ( and unfair to be honest), today I think very hard to find an unmolested Evo on road who willing to race with you. So most RS owners already think they are superior no matter what. We will see, how the stock RS guys with "a fastest car on the road" will handle the tuned competition, which probably the only ones who will willing to pick up the glove. A year later I am sure it will settle down to a mutual respect from both side. Hey I get challenged from ST guys lately ( since the RS news broke) frequently. lol Too bad I cant post dash video in here...
example for the FE:
and do not ever forget the real world fact
So stop calling Evo tunnel vision... there is a very solid ground why people hold an Evo as a Benchmark on the road. If you don't like it, there are very solid car forums out there you can join to hold other cars as a benchmark, and there is nothing wrong with that. ( like the Golf R or most Domestic forums are good for that)
And no one should forget the fact , the evo is one of the most underperforming car out of the door. There is almost no other car which AWD turbo, has that much potential to safely gain in performance like the EVo does. Its a well known fact for every car enthusiast. People should wrap they mind around the fact this is Mitsubishi forum so you will be find nothing but Mitsubishi cars talk.... Now the RS is already stated by the Ford factory its tuned for maximum performance with the 350 hp range. That is including the drive train etc. So we will see. What we don't know how the RS will be superior over the existing competition after real life ( including tuner scene etc) kicks in. What we do know how the Evo perfoms and performed the last 10+ years in the states at least in this forum... So yes there is a real good cause why people compere it to the Evo , even though Ford said its not relevant anymore...
Truth is coming very soon, although in a first year I think we will see a tons of butt hurt RS guys.. Only reason is ( and unfair to be honest), today I think very hard to find an unmolested Evo on road who willing to race with you. So most RS owners already think they are superior no matter what. We will see, how the stock RS guys with "a fastest car on the road" will handle the tuned competition, which probably the only ones who will willing to pick up the glove. A year later I am sure it will settle down to a mutual respect from both side. Hey I get challenged from ST guys lately ( since the RS news broke) frequently. lol Too bad I cant post dash video in here...
example for the FE:
and do not ever forget the real world fact
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If Toyobaru ever wanted to make a AWD BRZ/86 the weight would be in the range you would like. It seems their answer is "no" for that. Probably chief among that reason is Subaru is selling everything they make these days.
FYI: although modified, my Evo 8 has not been modified for weight loss at time of weight measurement. Its full weight with AC/ABS and everything else including rear wiper.
If Evo 8 (Standard on RRE scales) was 3236lb with fuel and sunroof (most Evos do not have sunroof), its 2xx pounds lighter than RS 100% assuming RS weight is per Vikipedia. If RS in real life also exceeds Vikipedia posted/Ford declared Curb weight, than it could easily be 300lb heavier than RRE scaled Evo 8 with sunroof etc.
I agree that real world weight measurement and Vikipedia may not be aligned: we have to reserve the same suspicion of actual vs Curb weight for Focus RS..it very well may be 3550lb or more?
So we are back to ~300lb weight difference?
I don't know.
I am not for/against Focus RS.
I like the car, I am die hard Ford man, from the days my father had 1976 Ford Escort RS2000 Mk2!
I learned to drive on it, and drove it aplenty as kid including supporting rally teams, well before I could legally get drivers license.
I simply regret what I consider opportunity missed, i.e. making Focus RS lighter.
Do you/we not like cars that are reasonably light? If ND MX-5 can be 2250lb, why Focus RS cannot be 3000lb? Is there not enough material to add +RWD and room for rear occupants in the 750lb difference, instead it had to be 1250 or more lb heavier?
Take this as engineering critique, and a bit of an emotional cry by somebody who truly loves Ford RS and has tried to find newer than Escort MK2 (Ken Block's new Hoonigan machine is Escort RS MK2) love; even the best until 'new 16 RS - the Escort Cosworth of 1990's vintage was glorified Sierra and regretfully not a very accomplished chassis at all.
I wanted - as most of us - the new RS to be end of all ends, in the spirit of Megane RS Trophy Cup chassis, a car that is real Rally Sport, intelligently optimized for performance using best engineering practices. Lighter is better is universal performance automotive engineering ethos: had Focus RS been a 3000-3200lb car it would have been to Hot Hatch what Ford GT is to SuperCars!
Instead of being the Ford GT of Hot Hatches, I see it being Boss-Mustang of Pony Cars, great but not standing head and shoulders above the competition and for that matter an icon for ever.
Integra Type-R in 1997, and Renault Megane R26 Trophy Cup, are both iconic cars with exceptional dynamic performance standing clearly above competition still today, in the spirit of 911 GT3 RS.
That is what I wanted for the RS!!
That is what Cayman GT4 achieved!
And that is why Evo v/vi/TME are iconic.
Fiesta RS with Focus RS drivertrain: now we are talking Iconic!
If Evo 8 (Standard on RRE scales) was 3236lb with fuel and sunroof (most Evos do not have sunroof), its 2xx pounds lighter than RS 100% assuming RS weight is per Vikipedia. If RS in real life also exceeds Vikipedia posted/Ford declared Curb weight, than it could easily be 300lb heavier than RRE scaled Evo 8 with sunroof etc.
I agree that real world weight measurement and Vikipedia may not be aligned: we have to reserve the same suspicion of actual vs Curb weight for Focus RS..it very well may be 3550lb or more?
So we are back to ~300lb weight difference?
I don't know.
I am not for/against Focus RS.
I like the car, I am die hard Ford man, from the days my father had 1976 Ford Escort RS2000 Mk2!
I learned to drive on it, and drove it aplenty as kid including supporting rally teams, well before I could legally get drivers license.
I simply regret what I consider opportunity missed, i.e. making Focus RS lighter.
Do you/we not like cars that are reasonably light? If ND MX-5 can be 2250lb, why Focus RS cannot be 3000lb? Is there not enough material to add +RWD and room for rear occupants in the 750lb difference, instead it had to be 1250 or more lb heavier?
Take this as engineering critique, and a bit of an emotional cry by somebody who truly loves Ford RS and has tried to find newer than Escort MK2 (Ken Block's new Hoonigan machine is Escort RS MK2) love; even the best until 'new 16 RS - the Escort Cosworth of 1990's vintage was glorified Sierra and regretfully not a very accomplished chassis at all.
I wanted - as most of us - the new RS to be end of all ends, in the spirit of Megane RS Trophy Cup chassis, a car that is real Rally Sport, intelligently optimized for performance using best engineering practices. Lighter is better is universal performance automotive engineering ethos: had Focus RS been a 3000-3200lb car it would have been to Hot Hatch what Ford GT is to SuperCars!
Instead of being the Ford GT of Hot Hatches, I see it being Boss-Mustang of Pony Cars, great but not standing head and shoulders above the competition and for that matter an icon for ever.
Integra Type-R in 1997, and Renault Megane R26 Trophy Cup, are both iconic cars with exceptional dynamic performance standing clearly above competition still today, in the spirit of 911 GT3 RS.
That is what I wanted for the RS!!
That is what Cayman GT4 achieved!
And that is why Evo v/vi/TME are iconic.
Fiesta RS with Focus RS drivertrain: now we are talking Iconic!
The weight shouldn't be a shock to anybody. Like I stated months ago in this thread, the Focus ST has been out for years and is 32XXlbs.
Hoping the RS would be anywhere close to that weight is just not logical thinking.
Hoping the RS would be anywhere close to that weight is just not logical thinking.
What the **** is going on in here again?
So now people are comparing the RS to a MODIFIED 10+ year old car as "proof" that the RS is overweight?
Now people are posting articles on the ****ing Evo as "proof" that the Evo is the benchmark by which all cars are measured?
Jesus, some of you Evo boys are real thirsty for that Mitsubishi Juice.
So now people are comparing the RS to a MODIFIED 10+ year old car as "proof" that the RS is overweight?
Now people are posting articles on the ****ing Evo as "proof" that the Evo is the benchmark by which all cars are measured?
Jesus, some of you Evo boys are real thirsty for that Mitsubishi Juice.
You said:
but before you said:
JUST STOP with this nonsense! That is literally modified for weight loss. Easily 60lbs off the car right there, not even including the fuel weight of another 60lbs or so.
Not being modified for weight loss = ZERO CHANGES TO THE CAR HOW IT CAME FROM THE FACTORY.
ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Kittens.
Not being modified for weight loss = ZERO CHANGES TO THE CAR HOW IT CAME FROM THE FACTORY.
ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Kittens.
I am a nerd with a set of corner scales. A full tank of gas 2003 Evo VIII with sunroof completely stock was 3302 lbs. Fuel alone can vary 84 lbs on a 14 gallon fuel tank.
There was a weight at the back of the intercooler on the X that was removed on 2011 and above cars. A 2011+ stock X, 2015+ STI, and the RS are all 3470 lbs +/- 30 lbs full weight.
The Golf R is the lone standout here of modern AWD cars. It's a solid 150lbs lighter in manual form. The US VIII/IX base are 50 lbs lighter still, but it seems really silly to argue over these cars that are 200lbs different at max. The small weight difference certainly isn't substantially hurting performance.
The RS is gonna be exciting in the aftermarket for sure.
There was a weight at the back of the intercooler on the X that was removed on 2011 and above cars. A 2011+ stock X, 2015+ STI, and the RS are all 3470 lbs +/- 30 lbs full weight.
The Golf R is the lone standout here of modern AWD cars. It's a solid 150lbs lighter in manual form. The US VIII/IX base are 50 lbs lighter still, but it seems really silly to argue over these cars that are 200lbs different at max. The small weight difference certainly isn't substantially hurting performance.
The RS is gonna be exciting in the aftermarket for sure.
Vorshlang Evo 9 MR 3282lb
Vorshlang Evo 9 GSR 3246lb
Vorshlang Evo 9 MR SE 3294lb
Vorshlang Evo 9 GSR SSL 3313lb
Vorshlang Evo 9 GSR SE 3181 lb
RRE Evo 8 GSR 3236lb
RRE Evo 8 RS 3181lb
Let's round it off at 3250lb average weight for Evo 8 and 9.
Which is good 100-150lb more than declared curb weight.
AutoWeek cites Ford Focus RS at 3525lb manufacturers curb weight:
http://autoweek.com/article/drive-re...-ford-focus-rs
Let's see what independent weighting of RS says, to satisfy the curiosity.
I think we got into details and missed the point entirely: the point is that we/I hoped that new car will be clear and significant step forward: lighter, faster, and better handling.
Results seem to indicate RS is as fast as Lancer Evo from 1998 thru 2016, in terms of acceleration and speed.
It grips as well as Lancer Evo on same tire: mount same Michelin tire on Evo X and I trust same levels of grip will be attained.
As family saloon/hot hatch its utility is inferior to Evo X due to smaller trunk.
Indeed as you pointed out, Focus ST has indicated clearly where RS will be weight wise.
In summary its a side-step rather than leap forward.
I can see your frustration from me complaining about what was known ahead of time: based on ST, RS will be heavier, and it will go very well, but not be lightweight WRC homologation.
So am portraying what I wished for, rather than what was being offered.
I doubt Fiesta RS will be 4WD, although I can see enterprising shop taking RS drivetrain/platform and "stuffing" it under Fiesta.
Vorshlang Evo 9 GSR 3246lb
Vorshlang Evo 9 MR SE 3294lb
Vorshlang Evo 9 GSR SSL 3313lb
Vorshlang Evo 9 GSR SE 3181 lb
RRE Evo 8 GSR 3236lb
RRE Evo 8 RS 3181lb
Let's round it off at 3250lb average weight for Evo 8 and 9.
Which is good 100-150lb more than declared curb weight.
AutoWeek cites Ford Focus RS at 3525lb manufacturers curb weight:
http://autoweek.com/article/drive-re...-ford-focus-rs
Let's see what independent weighting of RS says, to satisfy the curiosity.
I think we got into details and missed the point entirely: the point is that we/I hoped that new car will be clear and significant step forward: lighter, faster, and better handling.
Results seem to indicate RS is as fast as Lancer Evo from 1998 thru 2016, in terms of acceleration and speed.
It grips as well as Lancer Evo on same tire: mount same Michelin tire on Evo X and I trust same levels of grip will be attained.
As family saloon/hot hatch its utility is inferior to Evo X due to smaller trunk.
Indeed as you pointed out, Focus ST has indicated clearly where RS will be weight wise.
In summary its a side-step rather than leap forward.
I can see your frustration from me complaining about what was known ahead of time: based on ST, RS will be heavier, and it will go very well, but not be lightweight WRC homologation.
So am portraying what I wished for, rather than what was being offered.
I doubt Fiesta RS will be 4WD, although I can see enterprising shop taking RS drivetrain/platform and "stuffing" it under Fiesta.
The Evo 9 GSR SE Vorshlag weighed was 3223lbs with FUEL. 3181 WITHOUT FUEL.
Who drives a car without fuel? Nobody.
Let's round it off at 3250lb average weight for Evo 8 and 9.
Which is good 100-150lb more than declared curb weight.
AutoWeek cites Ford Focus RS at 3525lb manufacturers curb weight:
http://autoweek.com/article/drive-re...-ford-focus-rs
.
Yes, let's please wait for actual real reviews from enthusiasts! Nobody on this forum has even driven one yet.
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The Evo has BY FAR the least amount of trunk space compared!
2015 Mitsubishi Evo "trunk" cargo volume: 6.9 cubic feet
2016 Ford Focus RS "trunk" cargo volume: 19.9 cubic feet (43.8 with rear seats down)
2016 Subaru STi "trunk" cargo volume: 12 cubic feet
2016 Volkswagen Golf R "trunk" cargo volume: 22.8 cubic feet (42.3 with rear seats down)
as an FYI, the Evo 8 and 9 has 10.2 cubic feet, barely more than....
2015 Ford Fiesta ST "trunk" cargo volume: 10.1 cubic feet (25.4 with rear seats down)
Even my small *** Fiesta ST has more trunk space than the Evo X!
Last edited by razorlab; Apr 10, 2016 at 02:42 PM.