Ah! So you get the Toyota version of VAG(ina). Sorry.. couldn't help myself.

 

lol.

Same thing with Mitsubishis. If you want to change stuff like stopping the TPMS from lighting up the dash, seatbelt chimes, etc. You code them out and it doesn't change the ECU rom.

 

That is really good to know.

I'm shopping for my next car now. The Aston is going first, then the Evo. Depending on how much I feel like spending, a Supra may be on the list.

 

You guys would be surprised at how many ex evo people there are on the supra forum.

 

Well. Japanese cars. Most peeps that loved Evos also loved Supras, GTRs, FDs, etc.
Supras and GTRs are still bring produced. Makes sense ex Evo owners would go either of those directions. I know they are both in my list.

 

It makes sense. The list of affordable, turbocharged, sport-focused cars is still relatively small.

Evo is gone. The STI has had the same engine for half of my life. VW is trying with the Golf platform but it's always kind of weird and disappointing in motorsports applications. Ford stopped with the Focus RS.

Supra is relatively affordable, turbocharged, handles well, has tuning headroom (assuming new ECUs get cracked), and has the heritage (if you ignore the BMW-ness).

 

funny you bring that up cause those were 2 of the cars on my list. C7 grand sport was also there.

^^^^^this is all true. Just got to get the supra name (heritage) out of your head and you will see its a good car (despite BMW or thanks to?....) would Toyota, the leader of reliability really sign this "joint venture" if they thought reliability was an issue? We will see over the next couple years

 

yep. Looking at all those, a GT500 if I want to cheat, or I may go with a P-car. I'm letting fate decide, since I can't.

 

none taken. whenever I do that its more to bring another car to their attention that they may have not thought of, not so much "don't get that, get this instead". or sometimes I just give my unsolicited 2 cents of what I would buy in the situation. didn't mean to come across so strongly that I needed to be called out by name on this.

just to offer up one more data point, Global Time Attack started coming to my local track (Ridge Motorsport Park) last year and Jackie (same guy as the red supra vid above) came in a Supra where the only non-oem part were 275 A052's on a square set of wheels, 18x10 I think. Maybe pads, don't remember. He did a 1:50.048

Local friend with a C7 GS on Toyo RR tires and pads did a 1:46.07. But you also gotta take into account that this guy is local and has hundreds to thousands of laps at this track. He also does endurance races with an NC Miata with a couple of friends, Randy Pobst does stints in their car when ever he comes out and they all put down the same lap times in wheel to wheel racing. So basically the guy can drive, plus RR's are prolly a little faster than A052's, so the cars are quite a bit closer together than that 12 second difference at VIR suggests...

edit:
also in the Vette you can dial in a good amount of camber, in a supra with stock suspension you're stuck with whatever camber it came with from the factory

vid of the C7 if interested:

 

Always love the comparisons of cars that cost twice as much. lol

 

To be fair it’s 20-25k more at msrp, possibly less in current market prices… not 2x

 

The Lightning lap as-tested cars have a $35,380 price difference between the two, which is not small loose change. I don't even have that much into my Evo.

Since we want to be "fair", put some R-compounds on the Supra to match the R-compounds on the Vette GS, then tune the Supra to get closer to the 450hp the Vette GS has, and then we can see what happens.

My point here, these comparisons are so silly, it's like the very old and tired "you can buy a mustang for not much more money and it has a 100-200hp more than _insert BRZ, Miata, any other affordable sports car here_"

or , the "buy a GT4, it's better than a Supra", of course it is, it's $130k compared to $60k.

 

I can buy a whole other car for $20-25k

 

Would it be fair to put a veloster n up against a supra? It's only a 20-25k difference.

I think the problem is there really isn't any comparison for the supra in its price range. Camaro and mustang are the only things that come to mind.

 

Agreed, I think the GT PP and Camaro SS 1LE are the two price range and platform competitors. Both are faster on track than the Supra stock vs stock. However, both are "performance package" versions of themselves with track rubber and track centric suspension. Where a Supra is a Supra currently and only comes with street tires and GT-centric suspension, which reflects in the times below...

Since we were using Lightning lap results before:

#54 - Ford Mustang GT PP - 2:53.8 (btw, this was faster than a 2016 Porsche GT4 on the same track)
#59 - Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE - 2:54.8
#93 - Toyota Supra 3.0 2021 - 2:59.3

Since people like to admit that the BMW M2C is an actual drivers car and track-worthy here:

#96 - BMW M2C - 2:59.7

I personally really see the Supra as a great foundation for modding, just like an Evo. The Supra gains an insane amount of power from just a DP and tune (100whp+) and just putting track rubber and getting a good alignment has also proven to drop lap times tremendously. This is why I am interested in the car. You also don't see 100 of them every day like you do with the domestics.