Just wanna point out that Alonso wasn't the only one complaining about debris on the track, so was Hami and a few others, in fact the safety car helped Vettel more than it helped Alonso....

 

I agree on the safety car thing... Vettel was also radioing in telling his team where the debris was that needed to be cleaned up.

 

Domenicali saying Alonso deserved it and it was because of the 2 races he was knocked out that he lost it. But isn't that true for all the drivers? Wasn't Vettel leading a race and lost his alternator? You can't look back and say "if this, then that" it's part of racing. In any sport the team/person holding the trophy/ring at the end of the season is the team/person that deserved it. It's not about the losses here and there, it's about winners win when they have to. They find a way. Not taking anything away from Alonso, he fought hard, but it's over and just give credit where credit is due.

Yea, if I was a girl I would be asking Vettel for a baby, so what? You got something to say about that?

BTW I didn't catch what happened with Ferrari crying about Vettel passing during the SC? Did he do it or not?

More talks of Vettel and Ferrari. Would be the dumbest move he could do. Ferrari, history and all is a sub par team in every way to Red Bull, except the fan base. Staying with Red Bull not only is a perfect fit for his personality, he is making history in more than one way, his personal achievements and that of a new team embarassing the long standing regimes. My suggestion is for him to get his 8 championships in a row with Red Bull then go have fun at Ferrari in his golden years when there really isn't anything else to achieve but to say you "drove for Ferrari."

 

While I totally agree with everything you said, I feel your comments are a little over the top. I am ecstatic, elated and mirthful about Seb winning as he is my favorite driver and RB is my favorite team. I got upset when I read that Domenicali said Fred deserved the championship and I was more ticked off when I read that Fred refused to congratulate Seb. Sour grapes I would say.

As for the move to Ferrari, I again concur. It would be a bad move. Seb should stay with RB and shoot for 8 championships to beat Schumi. Did you notice how elated Schumi was when Seb won? Schumi knows a champion for sure.

 

Well you agree with me so that's all that matters. Not sure how they are over the top but then again, that's just me. I think just being the type of person that would buy an evo makes you a little over the top.

BTW it wasn't a yellow flag. I just read it was just a flag warning of junk on the track or something.

 

It's not what you say, it's how you say it. I think there is a more diplomatic way to go about posting. Those of us on this thread love F1 and have a lot of respect for each other. For those who do not support RB or Vettel, I do not want to rub it in out of respect for them.

 

Couple of things. It doesn't appear people have the same care when it comes to talking negative about Vettel. Also, sports has always been an area guys talk crap. It's nothing personal. I do understand we are of the age that school kids can't keep score in sports as to not hurt the other teams feelings but I don't subscribe to that. It hurts to lose, and that pain keeps you from doing it often.

I guess it's good that I never wanted to be a diplomat or a politician.

But let me take a shot at this diplomatic thing and try again.

Vettel you are so lucky. Everybody in the seat of an F1 car deserved to be champion. You are all winners. Vettel just happened to be the luckiest of them all. Fernando, you can hold your head high. You tried. And it isn't your fault, it was the car. Pedro de La Rosa, you are a Champion as well. And Vitaly, congrats, you are a champion, it's just that luck wasn't with you like it was Vettel. And here's to you Pic, You are another Schumacher without the luck he had. No, I didn't forget you Vergne, you are the best of the best just like all the others, you were just unlucky when you had Alonso try to drive under you in that first turn. And Hamilton, we know you deserved it, just ask anyone in England. And Button, well, you like Asian girls so you are one of my favorites. BUT you are no better or worse than Vettel, it's just the luck wasn't with you. And to the rest of the unnamed drivers, you deserved it as much as Vettel. And to Vettel, enjoy it now because when your luck runs out the others on forums like this around the world won't be the diplomatic, kind person I have become. Stay strong my friend, you are the best of the best BUT not better than anyone else, because they are the BEST of the best but not any better than you.

 

I'm sorry but I just have to intervene on such a useless statement as this. First let me say that I'm by no means a Ferrari fan and that I love McLaren and will always support them unquestionably. But to say Ferrari is a sub par team compared to RB is a joke.

AT THIS CURRENT TIME IN F1 you could argue that Red bull have the edge but go back through F1's history and look at how many times Ferrari was there fighting for championships, no matter what they are always in the championship hunt and they have been there since the very beginning. Even though I may not like their tactics or the way they run their team they still deserve recognition for their achievements. Red Bull is but a speck on the history of F1, soon they will go into a decline like many successful teams before them and most likely drop out of F1, there are only two teams who have successfully broken this cycle, and that is Ferrari and McLaren. Please educate yourself in F1's history before you make incredibly biased and useless comments like these, thank you.

Also I agree with SamsonEvoX, we all have our opinions but there are much better ways to post them, your posts are almost like an attack, and the amount of bias in them is ridiculously extreme, yes we all know you like Vettel. Your very lucky we don't have any die hard Ferrari fans on this forum or else this thread would probably get closed.

 

Yeah not too many die-hard Ferrari fans here. Then again would a die-hard Ferrari fan really be drawn to an Evo? I think they'd sooner drive a (insert cheapest used Ferrari here) than a souped up Japanese Econobox.

...not that I would complain if someone were to donate a 458 Italia or F430 to my garage, mind.

Kind of interesting to watch some of the Sky Sports footage on youtube. I really hope that NBC gets better post-race coverage than SPEED did - and I really hope F1 takes some notes out of Indy Car and NASCAR as far as media coverage is concerned. There really should be more post-race interviews. The current format leaves much to be desired. I mean here's Vettel, triple champ, but since he finished sixth, he's not part of any official interviews and the networks have to fend for themselves to try to hunt him down.

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I am 100% biased towards Vettel. I am a fan. Fans always bias towards their guy. Some more, some less. I figured the part about having his baby might be a clue that I was an over zealous fan but at the same time not take EVERY THING I say as seriously as I say it. And as a Vettel fan, I need to be over zealous since he seems to be the most disliked successful driver in the sport. All I read on forums is negatives about him. So I take the my fanhood to the extreme other direction. I love Button as well. I would love for him to race with Vettel. I like Kimi. It's just Vettel got me seriously into the sport.

And I stand by my statement but let me add a few words that I thought were a given, "At this time in History, Ferrari is sub par compared to Red Bull" Proof is the last 3 years of Constructor titles which is really the only way we can judge a teams performance. Funny, the Vettel haters have been saying this for the last couple of years, that it's just that the Red Bull car is SO good. Now I am saying it and people are disagreeing with me. I am not denying the history of Ferrari. Who could hate Ferrari? IT'S FERRARI!! You may be right about Red Bull being here and gone in a blink of the eye. At which time I would probably follow Vettel to whatever team he goes to. I have no problems admitting my lack of F1 history but I learn more and more daily. It's going to take time. That's why when I talk, it is about the years I have been into it. In sales we say you are "only as good as your last month" same holds true for this. Red Bull has DOMINATED the top teams the last 3 years. Whether it goes on, I dunno. We can revisit this next year and see.

As far as expressing my opinions, I am just passionate about mine and express them that way. I figured we are adults, we understand when someone is passionate. I am not calling people names or cursing. I am just stating my opinion in the only way I know how. Passionately. Maybe you guys have been into F1 TOO long to feel the passion I feel. Maybe my newness to the sport is creating what you see as the problem. But I am not attacking anybody. I don't know you guys. What you are asking of me is the same as asking a guy that only knows Chinese to please only speak English. If you don't like my passion I say ban me or ignore me but don't take it as a personal attack. It isn't.

 

And that is why I have a lot of respect for you, although we sometimes don't see eye to eye. That and you have a wealth of knowledge compared to some of us that are comparatively infants in our appreciation for this sport. We can cheer for our respective/drivers while still sharing our love for the sport.

QFT, USCbryan's post are some of the most ignorant posts I've had to read in a while. Its like when he said this trying to defend Vettel against Senna,

I couldn't help but at that ... Really?!?! If cars were as safe as how they are now, Senna would probably still be alive. Or if cars were as dangerous as they were back in those days, Schumi or Vettel probably wouldn't still be alive ... It's great that technology and safety have come a long way.

And he seems to think everyone not cheering for Vettel is a Vettel hater?!?!

That's why most of on this forum are respectful of each other. One only trash talks with their close friends ... coz if you trash talk with strangers you come across as ...

 

If you're okay with not watching the races live then you can always download the BBC and Sky broadcasts later on in the day via torrents. This is what I do since I don't get Speed.

Also, I forgot about this thread, so this comment is really late, but I attended the COTA race a week ago. I was sitting in the T5 bleachers, decent spot but not the best. Great view of T2-T5 and the end of the straight but T12/13 was blocked by all the support series semis in center track. Next year I'm going to shoot for sitting in T12 or T15, depending on price.

 

Thanks. I feel the same about you and the other people in the thread. Even Ken, whom I have given a lot of sh*t to, I actually have a lot of respect for. He is passionate about the sport, which is more than I can say about most people on this forum. Anyone that lives and breathes F1 is ok in my book. The one thing that I have noticed about this thread is that for the most part, everybody is respectful of everyone else's opinion. Yes, we disagree, sometimes strongly, but in the end, we try to phrase it in a way that shows respect to that other person.

I love Red Bull and Seb, but I also have great respect for McLaren, Ferrari and Lotus as well as Lewis, Fred and Kimi. They are at the top of the mountain so to speak. On another note, I just was watching Speed and saw a commercial for NBC Sports on Direct TV satellite, which I have. I didn't even know I had the channel. LOL Anyway, they advertised that they would be carrying F1 next year, so it is a relief to see that I won't have to pay for an extra channel.

 

LOL I'd take a 458 anyday over my Evo

Exactly, this is the EXACT problem with F1 in america, nobody knows who these drivers are, what they are like or anything about them other than those horrible post podium interviews... I just watched this vid of Jenson and Lewis from the BBC coverage, the part with Webber is hilarious!


WHY DONT THEY DO THAT HERE?!?!! Seriously the interest in the sport will skyrocket once folks can start to identify with the drivers as people.

Btw any other Canadians on here? Since F1 is going to NBC is there anyway we can get that coverage? Or is TSN still taking the BBC feed?

 

^ BAHAHA! That was hilarious!! Loved Webber's comeback. Good stuff.

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