Official 2012 Formula One Discussion Thread
This should put a smile on my friend Ken's face: I think RB should fire Webber on the spot for his assinine move that almost took Seb out of the race. Plus, Webber's comment that he would not help Seb out in the race, Webber should be dismissed and paid to leave the team.
With that vacancy, I say put Kobay into Webber's seat. Kobay would be a much better teammate and we could once and for all find out how good a driver that he is. It would be a golden opportunity for Kobay and if he could bring money to help offset Webber's salary, how awesome would that be? I know the idea sounds far fetched, but I am a hopeless romantic who believes in miracles. Please RB, fire Webber, hire Kobay and have a great 2013 season.
With that vacancy, I say put Kobay into Webber's seat. Kobay would be a much better teammate and we could once and for all find out how good a driver that he is. It would be a golden opportunity for Kobay and if he could bring money to help offset Webber's salary, how awesome would that be? I know the idea sounds far fetched, but I am a hopeless romantic who believes in miracles. Please RB, fire Webber, hire Kobay and have a great 2013 season.
Later, Ken
Yeah not too many die-hard Ferrari fans here. Then again would a die-hard Ferrari fan really be drawn to an Evo? I think they'd sooner drive a (insert cheapest used Ferrari here) than a souped up Japanese Econobox. 
...not that I would complain if someone were to donate a 458 Italia or F430 to my garage, mind.
Kind of interesting to watch some of the Sky Sports footage on youtube. I really hope that NBC gets better post-race coverage than SPEED did - and I really hope F1 takes some notes out of Indy Car and NASCAR as far as media coverage is concerned. There really should be more post-race interviews. The current format leaves much to be desired. I mean here's Vettel, triple champ, but since he finished sixth, he's not part of any official interviews and the networks have to fend for themselves to try to hunt him down.
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...not that I would complain if someone were to donate a 458 Italia or F430 to my garage, mind.

Kind of interesting to watch some of the Sky Sports footage on youtube. I really hope that NBC gets better post-race coverage than SPEED did - and I really hope F1 takes some notes out of Indy Car and NASCAR as far as media coverage is concerned. There really should be more post-race interviews. The current format leaves much to be desired. I mean here's Vettel, triple champ, but since he finished sixth, he's not part of any official interviews and the networks have to fend for themselves to try to hunt him down.
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But end of the day for me Ferrari appeals the most of all of them. And for that is several reason i have.
Later, Ken
I knew you would get a kick out of that. From the boards I am on, the opinion is overwhelming that RB get rid of Webber. I am throwing the Kobay idea out there hoping that maybe Christian Horner or Adrian Newey will read it and do what it is right. LOL
On another note, I just was watching Speed and saw a commercial for NBC Sports on Direct TV satellite, which I have. I didn't even know I had the channel. LOL Anyway, they advertised that they would be carrying F1 next year, so it is a relief to see that I won't have to pay for an extra channel.
Okay, just saw a commercial last night on Direct TV that talked about NBC sports channel, which is different from the main NBC network channel. It is 220 on Direct TV. They were already promoting F1 races for next year, which is a great thing! Looks like they may pick up the ball and run with it. We can only hope.
xVforVelocityx: That video was hilarious! 
Agreed. I do like Ken's passion and the differing view he brings to the discussions. If we all agreed with each other all the time, this thread would probably get boring quick.
So for us Cable guys I wonder if NBC Sport will be part of the regular channels (I hope) or a Premium channels (hope not) ... Either way the silly season is officially in full swing. Start making predictions guys.
Which manufacturer is going to have the fastest car at the start of the season?
How is Sergio going to do @ McLaren?
How is Hulk going to do @ Sauber?
Who will get the last remaining FI seat?
How much progress will Merc make over the off season?
Just a few Qs to get the ball rolling here.

So for us Cable guys I wonder if NBC Sport will be part of the regular channels (I hope) or a Premium channels (hope not) ... Either way the silly season is officially in full swing. Start making predictions guys.
Which manufacturer is going to have the fastest car at the start of the season?
How is Sergio going to do @ McLaren?
How is Hulk going to do @ Sauber?
Who will get the last remaining FI seat?
How much progress will Merc make over the off season?
Just a few Qs to get the ball rolling here.
xVforVelocityx: That video was hilarious! 
Which manufacturer is going to have the fastest car at the start of the season?
How is Sergio going to do @ McLaren?
How is Hulk going to do @ Sauber?
Who will get the last remaining FI seat?
How much progress will Merc make over the off season?
Just a few Qs to get the ball rolling here.

Which manufacturer is going to have the fastest car at the start of the season?
How is Sergio going to do @ McLaren?
How is Hulk going to do @ Sauber?
Who will get the last remaining FI seat?
How much progress will Merc make over the off season?
Just a few Qs to get the ball rolling here.
I'm guessing either McLaren or Red Bull since there haven't been any dramatic rule changes this year.
As I've said before Sergio will be another Kovalainen at McLaren, will be gone in 2 years.
The Hulk will dominate Esteban at Sauber, I almost feel bad for Esteban because he will be going up against one of the best drivers on the grid and he will probably be the worst driver on the grid depending if HRT and Narain stay in F1.
I'm really pulling for Kamui to get the FI seat, I'd also like to see Kovalainen stay at Caterham.
This one I'm not sure about, with Hamilton I think they could potentially make some gains, but I don't think we'll see any big progress until 2014.
Lets see what everyone else thinks?
Speaking of number 2 drivers how amazing has Massa been in the last half of the season? He's back to his old ways, I honestly wouldn't count him out of the championship for next year if Ferrari delivers a good car and he continues to drive the way he is, he's definitely been faster than Alonso in these last few races.
On another note, I just was watching Speed and saw a commercial for NBC Sports on Direct TV satellite, which I have. I didn't even know I had the channel. LOL Anyway, they advertised that they would be carrying F1 next year, so it is a relief to see that I won't have to pay for an extra channel.
All of this talk about RBR's place in formula history got me thinking.....what are the odds that the RBR team is still racing in F1 as RBR within 10 years after Newey leaves/retires? Not to say that he's the only guy responsible for their three consecutive championships, but obviously a vital piece to the puzzle in this aero dependent era. I could easily see Mateschitz pulling the plug on their F1 racing program, and selling it to the highest bidder in the not too distant future if they're not competing for championships for X amount of consecutive years. Something else to consider is that Mateschitz is pushing 70 at this point, so if/when the fate of the program is in the hands of the Red Bull board of directors, then anything can happen there too. I could easily see them deciding that spending $500M per year on their F1 team is not the best marketing investment they could be making for that amount of money. They could easily be the next BMW, Honda and Toyota, except for the actually winning some championships before bailing on the sport.
I'm not nearly as impressed with hulk as many of you are. In brazil he clearly was on a wet setup while most of the rest of the field was setup for dry. The only times he's shown promise were situations like that where force India did a unconventional setup and got lucky. Even in brazil hulk spun once and made. Rookie mistake of diving to deep in wet and paid the price. It was his race to lose and he lost it. I don't think he's at the same level as vetted or Alonzo. Vetted was able to win in the torro rosso, hulk hasn't.
All of this talk about RBR's place in formula history got me thinking.....what are the odds that the RBR team is still racing in F1 as RBR within 10 years after Newey leaves/retires? Not to say that he's the only guy responsible for their three consecutive championships, but obviously a vital piece to the puzzle in this aero dependent era. I could easily see Mateschitz pulling the plug on their F1 racing program, and selling it to the highest bidder in the not too distant future if they're not competing for championships for X amount of consecutive years. Something else to consider is that Mateschitz is pushing 70 at this point, so if/when the fate of the program is in the hands of the Red Bull board of directors, then anything can happen there too. I could easily see them deciding that spending $500M per year on their F1 team is not the best marketing investment they could be making for that amount of money. They could easily be the next BMW, Honda and Toyota, except for the actually winning some championships before bailing on the sport.
I'm not nearly as impressed with hulk as many of you are. In brazil he clearly was on a wet setup while most of the rest of the field was setup for dry. The only times he's shown promise were situations like that where force India did a unconventional setup and got lucky. Even in brazil hulk spun once and made. Rookie mistake of diving to deep in wet and paid the price. It was his race to lose and he lost it. I don't think he's at the same level as vetted or Alonzo. Vetted was able to win in the torro rosso, hulk hasn't.
Okay, just saw a commercial last night on Direct TV that talked about NBC sports channel, which is different from the main NBC network channel. It is 220 on Direct TV. They were already promoting F1 races for next year, which is a great thing! Looks like they may pick up the ball and run with it. We can only hope.
All of this talk about RBR's place in formula history got me thinking.....what are the odds that the RBR team is still racing in F1 as RBR within 10 years after Newey leaves/retires? Not to say that he's the only guy responsible for their three consecutive championships, but obviously a vital piece to the puzzle in this aero dependent era. I could easily see Mateschitz pulling the plug on their F1 racing program, and selling it to the highest bidder in the not too distant future if they're not competing for championships for X amount of consecutive years. Something else to consider is that Mateschitz is pushing 70 at this point, so if/when the fate of the program is in the hands of the Red Bull board of directors, then anything can happen there too. I could easily see them deciding that spending $500M per year on their F1 team is not the best marketing investment they could be making for that amount of money. They could easily be the next BMW, Honda and Toyota, except for the actually winning some championships before bailing on the sport.






