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I was disappointed with this past weekends autox results. We never ran the time the car was capable of, even though we went 1 / 2 in class, Shoe was class winner. We both made the Super Shoot Out Shoe was out after first elimination round, I made it to my second round and lost by .338 or something on PAX time. This FSP BMW beat me with his soft PAX, I lost on my fastest run of the weekend, dropped 3/10's off my time.
Our problem was we are out of rubber to run. We were on tired Hoosiers and it showed, I think we were a second slower than what car could have done driving it no differently.
Speaking of driving I was all wrong with my car placement until we broke down video. My coaching crew hollered at me and got my head right. I think my driving in the Super Challenge showed that, cause I was dropping some time. The tires were just killing us, besides Dover is a killer on Hoosiers. The blacktop just eats tires there, I am not sure why. It is also horribly bumpy in 1 of the 2 lots we run on there. So 1/2 the course was nice and smooth, other side was like running on a dirt course. Course was just sweeper after sweeper, I actually was really diggin that. Even though Shoes car is not a sweeper machine, I love driving the sweepers.
Hopefully Shoe gets some video up, I want to see the difference in my lines from the competition to the Shootout.
We partied hard, had some awesome chicken (cajun chicken from Whole Foods premade, wasn't dry at all BTW) and beer. The heat though was horrible, my buddy with a mobile camper has an awning on it, he took the temperature in the shade on the RV and it was 106 degrees. It was ridiculous how hot it got. We had to spray tires 3 seperate times to get them cool, it was crazy. Shoe's car ran perfectly, did not come close to overheating.
Our problem was we are out of rubber to run. We were on tired Hoosiers and it showed, I think we were a second slower than what car could have done driving it no differently.
Speaking of driving I was all wrong with my car placement until we broke down video. My coaching crew hollered at me and got my head right. I think my driving in the Super Challenge showed that, cause I was dropping some time. The tires were just killing us, besides Dover is a killer on Hoosiers. The blacktop just eats tires there, I am not sure why. It is also horribly bumpy in 1 of the 2 lots we run on there. So 1/2 the course was nice and smooth, other side was like running on a dirt course. Course was just sweeper after sweeper, I actually was really diggin that. Even though Shoes car is not a sweeper machine, I love driving the sweepers.
Hopefully Shoe gets some video up, I want to see the difference in my lines from the competition to the Shootout.
We partied hard, had some awesome chicken (cajun chicken from Whole Foods premade, wasn't dry at all BTW) and beer. The heat though was horrible, my buddy with a mobile camper has an awning on it, he took the temperature in the shade on the RV and it was 106 degrees. It was ridiculous how hot it got. We had to spray tires 3 seperate times to get them cool, it was crazy. Shoe's car ran perfectly, did not come close to overheating.
NASA rules are the most fair and reasonable system out there. VG and JDM rear does have advantage, if there were no points to them, i bet every TT evo would have them. VG help to create better air for the wing. and jdm rear doesnt come down as far and reduce parachute effect, but that rule was more for after market bumper.
NASA does have unlimited class, TTS, TTU and TTR, where the only qualification is power/weight ratio. all other mods are unlimited.
Time Attack is also more focus on the Tires, class are separated by tire and not as much about mod. you can have 600 whp car running street tires as long as you have a cat, which is retarded.
NASA does have unlimited class, TTS, TTU and TTR, where the only qualification is power/weight ratio. all other mods are unlimited.
Time Attack is also more focus on the Tires, class are separated by tire and not as much about mod. you can have 600 whp car running street tires as long as you have a cat, which is retarded.
If you start with a bone stock car and build it for NASA I think you can do well, depending on the platform, but most people go about it backwards meaning they do mods first, then get into track days and then finally they start to TT, but by that time their car is usually modded beyond the base class they would fall into and those mods usually aren't geared towards x # of points to stay in class so they go to an unlimited class which as you know is more about money than the driver. If you can afford the best suspension and new tires err event you will probably win.
Last edited by AlwaysinBoost; Jul 3, 2012 at 07:45 AM.
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NASA def did their homework putting classes together, but they can't cover every base. there are some cars that just don't fit into the classes they fall into (Z06 for example, like we were talking about a couple weeks ago @ NJMP) and there are some mods that shouldn't draw the points they do. JDM rear and VG are just two examples I used becaue I have those two mods and know they aren't worth the extra 6 points they draw.
If you start with a bone stock car and build it for NASA I think you can do well, depending on the platform, but most people go about it backwards meaning they do mods first, then get into track days and then finally they start to TT, but by that time their car is usually modded beyond the base class they would fall into and those mods usually aren't geared towards x # of points to stay in class so they go to an unlimited class which as you know is more about money than the driver. If you can afford the best suspension and new tires err event you will probably win.
If you start with a bone stock car and build it for NASA I think you can do well, depending on the platform, but most people go about it backwards meaning they do mods first, then get into track days and then finally they start to TT, but by that time their car is usually modded beyond the base class they would fall into and those mods usually aren't geared towards x # of points to stay in class so they go to an unlimited class which as you know is more about money than the driver. If you can afford the best suspension and new tires err event you will probably win.
"If you can afford the best suspension and new tires you probably win" that's with any sport even autocross 60second runs. The $6-8k 2/3way shock using new/shaved set of purple crack every event is going to be winning if both driver skills are equal.. Only lightweight low powered ST/STS/STC can get away with revalve konis and custom springs(~$1200). Bigger or Heavier cars need $6k+ dampeners at a minimum.
When? There is also Brick House here in Willow Grove right next to the PA Turnpike entrance/exit (or start finish line as like to think of it) ramp.
Agree the stock VG on my MR is not worth the points and the stock JDM bumper is not as well. They are stock and can be ordered from the dealer as such.. so therefor they should not be penalized by points. Just like the stock high semi functional wing is not penalized by points. If it was offered as factory or is an OEM piece to that chassis run then it should be able to be used.. They might as well penalize the MR for having 6spd higher tq multiplying transmission that is a disadvantage over 5spd even if it those weigh more.
so you saying that the front lip and rear wing on the s2k CR doesn't make any difference over the regular s2k? the regular s2k is classed lower than the CR, so you say that regular s2k should be able to add the CR front lip and CR rear wing with out any penalty because it's the same chassis? you b!ches don't know **** about competition.
all i hear is "wah..wah..wah.. my vagina hurts"
sing up for TT or TA, then when you're .5 sec from my time, you can b!tch about how if you had JDM rear bumper and VG, you would have been .5 second faster and beat me. but if you're 2 seconds lower than me, that JDM rear and VG aint going to save you. com at meh kid
Last edited by honda-guy; Jul 3, 2012 at 08:17 AM.
you retard, you don't do any thing competitive on track. what do you know about aero advantage? yeah, those aero parts dont make a difference when you're doing 40-60 mph on autox course. but when you're doing 140+mph on track, every bit of aero advantage multiply. when you double your speed, you increase the coefficient of drag by 4 times (not just double). like i said, if those parts didn't count for points, then every competitive evo would have rear JDM and VG. mitsubishi didn't develop those parts for looks. there's a reason why the RS has lower base class than the GSR, because the RS doesnt have rear wing. so you can use points to add rear wing to the RS. don't b!tch if you don't understand the rules.
so you saying that the front lip and rear wing on the s2k CR doesn't make any difference over the regular s2k? the regular s2k is classed lower than the CR, so you say that regular s2k should be able to add the CR front lip and CR rear wing with out any penalty because it's the same chassis? you b!ches don't know **** about competition.
all i hear is "wah..wah..wah.. my vagina hurts"
sing up for TT or TA, then when you're .5 sec from my time, you can b!tch about how if you had JDM rear bumper and VG, you would have been .5 second faster and beat me. but if you're 2 seconds lower than me, that JDM rear and VG aint going to save you. com at meh kid
so you saying that the front lip and rear wing on the s2k CR doesn't make any difference over the regular s2k? the regular s2k is classed lower than the CR, so you say that regular s2k should be able to add the CR front lip and CR rear wing with out any penalty because it's the same chassis? you b!ches don't know **** about competition.
all i hear is "wah..wah..wah.. my vagina hurts"
sing up for TT or TA, then when you're .5 sec from my time, you can b!tch about how if you had JDM rear bumper and VG, you would have been .5 second faster and beat me. but if you're 2 seconds lower than me, that JDM rear and VG aint going to save you. com at meh kid
you retard, you don't do any thing competitive on track. what do you know about aero advantage? yeah, those aero parts dont make a difference when you're doing 40-60 mph on autox course. but when you're doing 140+mph on track, every bit of aero advantage multiply. when you double your speed, you increase the coefficient of drag by 4 times (not just double). like i said, if those parts didn't count for points, then every competitive evo would have rear JDM and VG. mitsubishi didn't develop those parts for looks. there's a reason why the RS has lower base class than the GSR, because the RS doesnt have rear wing. so you can use points to add rear wing to the RS. don't b!tch if you don't understand the rules.
so you saying that the front lip and rear wing on the s2k CR doesn't make any difference over the regular s2k? the regular s2k is classed lower than the CR, so you say that regular s2k should be able to add the CR front lip and CR rear wing with out any penalty because it's the same chassis? you b!ches don't know **** about competition.
all i hear is "wah..wah..wah.. my vagina hurts"
sing up for TT or TA, then when you're .5 sec from my time, you can b!tch about how if you had JDM rear bumper and VG, you would have been .5 second faster and beat me. but if you're 2 seconds lower than me, that JDM rear and VG aint going to save you. com at meh kid
so you saying that the front lip and rear wing on the s2k CR doesn't make any difference over the regular s2k? the regular s2k is classed lower than the CR, so you say that regular s2k should be able to add the CR front lip and CR rear wing with out any penalty because it's the same chassis? you b!ches don't know **** about competition.
all i hear is "wah..wah..wah.. my vagina hurts"
sing up for TT or TA, then when you're .5 sec from my time, you can b!tch about how if you had JDM rear bumper and VG, you would have been .5 second faster and beat me. but if you're 2 seconds lower than me, that JDM rear and VG aint going to save you. com at meh kid
Last edited by robertg; Jul 3, 2012 at 09:16 AM.