Ill Take One: Ill be testing the cars at Rock Falls Raceway (Near Eau Claire). That is also where I will get licensed and everything. Ill also try to run it in Norwalk at the SO, probably Great Lakes and not sure where else... This year will just be testing and tuning though.

As for all the why not a V8.... It is an Evo in my eyes and its my car so I dont really give two sh 1ts what you think. If you want to do it go for it... I dare ya It would have been MUCH easier and cheaper for me to use a fiberglass shell and a V8 of some kind. It would also be much faster. I dont care. I will own the fastest Evo... maybe not for all that long but I will own it. Once again, whether you consider it an Evo or not doesnt bother me in the least bit. Mine will be quicker than yours (To whomever gaves me **** about it).

I do 100% of the work on the car my self. I would guess that I will end up spending less than many of these people that bring thier cars to AMS or some other shop to make them fast. I would also like to know what the line is for some of these people on what a car is... Is Shep's car a car? Is Brents? How about Daves? Here are the differences in all of those:

Shep is going 25.1E also so it is the same frame. He has an aftermarket transmission like I do. Built 4G63 like I do, Domestic rear diff like I do. His difference is he is AWD and has a built x-fer case and I dont.

Brents car is virtually the same.

Buschur is the farthest away from mine being he still has the stock drivetrain in its entirety.

So please humor me and tell me when its not its "doner" car anylonger. This is a retorical question as I really dont care if some people are jealous of it or what thier deal is. It is a hobby of mine and thats really as far as it goes.

As far as the progress, its still just me welding away. Im still shooting for this Sunday to have the front end mocked up and hopefully tacked into place. If that doesnt get done at least the rest will be fully welded and Ill probably finish the rear end and parachute and whatnot.

 

Controversy is expected and its kinda like free advertisement anyways

About the comment of most of these haters not being able to do this.... I would make the challenge that not a single one could. Obviously some of the people on this forum could (Or even have already with a different car)... just none of them

 

Mad props, just read though all 15 pages, Wish i had the funds, time, and ***** to do that myself! I would just be too worried about breaking something, or everything!

subscribed, definately cannot wait to see the final product!

 

Whatever tickles you ***.

 

Great, please keep me informed what dates you may be up there in Rock Falls.
I've been up there a few times, and will be up there this year as well.

I'd love to see it in action!
Keep up the great work!

 

First, I'd like to say that I give Trinababe mad props for his obvious and ridiculous fabrication skills.

However, to call this "mutant" an Evo is ludicrous. Brent Rau's car was loosely based off of a DSM, but no one really considers it an Eclipse anymore. Sheps car is a DSM, because the original unibody is STILL IN PLACE in it's entirety. If you manage to run fast times with this car, I think that it will be great, however to claim that you will have the fastest drag Evo will be a bit of a stretch, considering that there really isn't much Evo left besides the body panels and the engine itself. Anyways, good luck on your project, and don't let anyone discourage you (myself included)!

 

Thanks guys, Ill update with some more stuff hopefully this weekend.

(Shep does not have his stock unibody still intact however but this isnt about anyone elses car. Shep and his car.. well everyone knows his name for a reason. Hes that good)

Not sure what you consider the entire unibody though... he has a tubed front end and a tubed rear end. I just did the middle also (Which I hear he is doing now also).

 

he can still be considered an evo for his times, the fastest evo currently is a lot like this one, look in the top 10 list

 

Well I finished the bottom of the suspension mounts and made the new control arms. The new chassis is still level, straight and sqaure after welding the whole chassis so thats also good news. I will finish the top of the front suspension tomorrow and if I have time Ill get the steering rack cut welded and mounted as well. It took alot longer to measure out the camber, caster, toe and ride height that I anticipated. Also measuring the sqaureness of everything took more time that I thought but its done now so Im happy!

I also ordered the parachute mount, chute pack and cable system from Stroud so Ill get that stuff installed when it arrives. Im gonna get myself a mockup tranny so I can build the engine plate and trans mount. Hopefully Buschur's midplate will arrive soon so I can get it all mocked up. Should be some pretty neat pictures coming shortly.... it will be a rolling chassis very very soon

 

Here are a few more pics also. Ill post up more when the front end gets finished.

http://www.eclipserwd.com/gallery/sh...ry.php/cat/508

 

car is nuts...coming along nicely

 

That is a crazy f-ing cage!!

 

Here is a description of what is known as Theseus's Paradox, it deals with identity, it might help with the naysayers of your project. I remember from a collage class, it's about all I remember thought

Identity, Persistence, and the Ship of Theseus
Heraclitus’s “river fragments” raise puzzles about identity and persistence: under what conditions does an object persist through time as one and the same object? If the world contains things which endure, and retain their identity in spite of undergoing alteration, then somehow those things must persist through changes. Heraclitus wonders whether one can step into the same river twice precisely because it continually undergoes changes. In particular, it changes compositionally. At any given time, it is made up of different component parts from the ones it was previously made up of. So, according to one interpretation, Heraclitus concludes that we do not have (numerically) the same river persisting from one moment to the next.

Plato is probably the source of this “paradoxical” interpretation of Herclitus. According to Plato, Heraclitus maintains that nothing retains its identity for any time at all:

“Heraclitus, you know, says that everything moves on and that nothing is at rest; and, comparing existing things to the flow of a river, he says that you could not step into the same river twice” (Cratylus 402A).
But what Heraclitus actually said was more likely to have been this:

“On those who enter the same rivers, ever different waters flow.” (fr. 12)
On Plato’s interpretation, it’s not the same river, since the waters are different. On a less paradoxical interpretation, it is the same river, in spite of the fact that the waters are different. On both interpretations of Heraclitus, he holds the Flux Doctrine: Everything is constantly altering; no object retains all of its component parts from one moment to the next. The issue is: what does Flux entail about identity and persistence? Plato’s interpretation requires that Heraclitus held what might be called the Mereological Theory of Identity (MTI), i.e., the view that the identity of an object depends on the identity of its component parts. This view can be formulated more precisely as follows:

For any compound objects, x and y, x = y only if every part of x is a part of y, and every part of y is a part of x.
I.e., an object continues to exist (from time t1 to time t2) only if it is composed of all the same components at t2 as it was composed of at t1. Sameness of parts is a necessary condition of identity.
It now seems that if we want to allow that an object can persist through time in spite of a change in some of its components, we must deny MTI. An object x, existing at time t1, can be numerically identical to an object y, existing at time t2, even though x and y are not composed of exactly the same parts.

But once you deny MTI, where do you draw the line? Denying MTI leaves us vulnerable to puzzle cases, the mother of all of which is the following.


The Ship of Theseus
This is a puzzle that has been around since antiquity, probably later than Heraclitus, but not much later. It first surfaces in print in Plutarch (Vita Thesei, 22-23):
“The ship wherein Theseus and the youth of Athens returned had thirty oars, and was preserved by the Athenians down even to the time of Demetrius Phalereus, for they took away the old planks as they decayed, putting in new and stronger timber in their place, insomuch that this ship became a standing example among the philosophers, for the logical question of things that grow; one side holding that the ship remained the same, and the other contending that it was not the same.”
Plutarch tells us that the ship was exhibited during the time [i.e., lifetime] of Demetrius Phalereus, which means ca. 350-280 BCE. (Demetrius was a well-known Athenian and a member of the Peripatetic school, i.e., a student of Aristotle. He wrote some 45 books, and was also a politician).

The original puzzle is this: over the years, the Athenians replaced each plank in the original ship of Theseus as it decayed, thereby keeping it in good repair. Eventually, there was not a single plank left of the original ship. So, did the Athenians still have one and the same ship that used to belong to Theseus?

But we can liven it up a bit by considering two different, somewhat modernized, versions. On both versions, the replacing of the planks takes place while the ship is at sea. We are to imagine that Theseus sails away, and then systematically replaces each plank on board with a new one. (He carries a complete supply of new parts on board as his cargo.) Now we can consider these two versions of the story:

Simple version: Theseus completely rebuilds his ship, replaces all the parts, throws the old ones overboard. Does he arrive on the same ship as the one he left on? Of course it has changed. But is it it?
Let A = the ship Theseus started his voyage on.
Let B = the ship Theseus finished his voyage on.
Our question then is: Does A = B? If not, why not? Suppose he had left one original part in. Is that enough to make A identical to B? If not, suppose he had left two, etc. Where do you draw the line?


Complex version: Like the simple version, but with one addition -- following Theseus in another boat is the Scavenger, who picks up the pieces Theseus throws overboard, and uses them to rebuild his boat. The Scavenger arrives in port in a ship composed of precisely the parts that composed the ship Theseus started out in. He docks his ship right next to one that Theseus docked.
Now we have:


C = the ship the Scavenger finished his voyage on.
Our problem is to sort out the identity (and non-identity) relations among A, B, and C. The only “obvious” fact is that B ¹ C (after all, they are berthed side by side in the harbor, so they can hardly be one and the same ship!). Beyond that, there are two alternatives:

MTI tells us that A = C. The ship on which Theseus started his voyage, namely A, is identical to the ship on which the Scavenger finished his voyage, namely C. So we have two ships: one (A) that was sailed out by Theseus and (C) sailed in by the Scavenger, and another one (B) that was created (out of new parts) during the voyage and was sailed into port by Theseus.

The alternative is to abandon MTI and hold that A = B. On this account, we still have two ships, but their identity and non-identity relations are different: one ship (A) was sailed out by Theseus and (B) sailed in by Theseus, and another one (C) was created (out of used parts) during the voyage and was sailed into port by the Scavenger.
Unfortunately, both alternatives lead to unintuitive consequences.


The problem with alternative (i) is that it requires Theseus to have changed ships during the voyage. For he ends up on B, which is clearly not identical to C. But Theseus never once got off his ship during its entire voyage: Theseus got on board a ship (A), sailed a voyage during which he never got off the ship, and arrived at his destination in a ship (B). He was on just one ship during the whole process, but alternative (i) seems to require that he was on (at least!) two different ships.

The problem with alternative (ii) is that in holding that A = B and admitting (as it must) that B ¹ C , it must also hold that A ¹ C . Yet every part of A is a part of C, and every part of C is a part of A! So A and C are two different ships even though their parts are the same; and what of A and B? They have no parts in common, and yet A and B are the same ship.
These results seem as paradoxical as the view that there are no persisting objects.

Conclusion: MTI seems too strong. It denies identity to objects that we think of as persisting through time. But that leaves us with some problems:

What do we replace it with? Spatio-temporal continuity (the intuition behind our alternative (ii), above) is the most promising (and common) suggestion. A persisting object must trace a continuous path through space-time. And tracing a continuous path is compatible with a change of parts, so long as the change is gradual and the form or shape of the object is preserved through the changes of its component materials. So it appears that we can replace MTI with the theory of spatio-temporal continuity (STC).

But STC is also problematic. For it is easy to imagine cases in which our intuitions tell us that we have numerical identity without spatio-temporal continuity. Consider that an object can be disassembled and then reassembled. (Think of a bicycle that is taken apart. The parts are then placed in a number of separate boxes, which are then shipped, separately, across country. The boxes are then unpacked and the bicycle is reassembled.) How do we account for its identity? STC breaks down in this case, for there is no continuously existing bicycle-shaped object tracing a smooth path through space-time. But MTI gives us the right result: the reassembled bicycle is made of exactly the same parts as the one that was taken apart, and so is numerically the same bicycle.
In fact, there is a way of describing the case of Theseus’s ship that seems to demand MTI rather than STC. Suppose the ship (A) is in a museum, and a clever ring of thieves is trying to steal the ship by removing its pieces one at a time and then reassembling them. Each day, the thieves remove another piece, and replace it with a look-alike. When they have removed all the original pieces, we are left with this situation. There is a ship, B, that is in the museum (made of all new materials), and there is a ship, C, in the possession of the thieves (the original pieces of A now reassembled). Which ship is A (Theseus’s original ship)? Surely not B—it’s just a copy of A, left behind in the museum by the crooks to cover up their crime. It is C that will interest the antique dealer who is interested in buying A, the original ship.

 

First off great job Trinababe!!!

Sonic, I have the same argument with people about street cars. If your car doesn't have A/C it's not a street car to me and that is my opinion. Where I live it is HOT and to not have A/C in the summer or even now 80 degrees is nuts and is definately could not be a DD street car. Must have A/C!!

 

I will never figure out "import" hardliners . It seems all the hardcore import lovers can't look outside their box in fear of realizing that their scene isn't the end all to be all . I have never liked cars that are "stock" , just WAY to boring . What makes a car a car ? I guess that's the eternal question . I say mad props to the project ! It seems that import owners in general have no sense of car history nor do they care . I'm 42 and grew up with musclecars , but have sinced migrated to turbo cars in general and more specifically mitsu turbo cars . There were no FWD or AWD cars to speak of when I grew up , but I've grown up with the times . I still love the sound of a cammed , big compression american V8 . Short of hearing my daughter laugh there may be no better sound . People need to lighten up a bit . My first mitsu was a raider p/u with a small block chevy . Then I bought a 1984 mirage turbo and was blown away at what 97.5 cubic inches could do performance wise . I love cars that handle , cars that go fast in a straight line , hell I even like the occasional nasty 4x4 . Does the car look like an EVO ? Yes it does now get on with your life . Bodykits , 19's and neon aren't for everyone , neither are no crack in the back and skinnies in the front . If you don't like someone else's car that's fine just don't be a dink about it . Can't we all just get along ?!? Keep us updated with the kick *** project !!