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Old Apr 22, 2003 | 12:55 PM
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TOP GEAR (UK magazine) Evo vs STI

In the May 2003 issue they test the STI (new look) vs the Evo (VIII).

There are some error's through out the stats, so I am not sure if the STI has the 2.0L or the new 2.5L in this comparo.

----------------------------EVO --------------- STI

HP ------------------------280------------------300
TQ-------------------------184 (error) --------299
0-60-----------------------4.9 sec-------------5.3 sec
0-100---------------------13.2 sec ----------13.9 sec
¼ mle -------------------13.7 @ 102.2 -----13.8 @ 99.7mph
30-70 thrgh gears ------5.1 sec ------------5.2 sec
Lap Time -----------------1:34.8 sec -------1:38.1
Weight kg-----------------1410kg ----------1470kg
Weight lbs -------------3102lbs -----------3234lbs
Engine Size -----------1997cc--------------1994cc (pos error?)

Weeeehaww..... I didn't have time to read the article, but the numbers (nothing better than magazine racing) would say that the Evo is the better performance car. I am not sure what the gear ratios are for the Euro Evo with 6 speed, but I beat that ¼ mile time on my first run (for either car) with my USA 5 speed.

Sorry if this is a repost, but I did not see anywhere that it had been posted.

Lotus Elise with 187hp had a lap time of 1:31.1

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Old Apr 22, 2003 | 01:28 PM
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Yet another meaningless comparison for U.S. buyers. The STi used in the test is the 2.0L version equipped with the Subaru UK dealer-installed Prodrive Performance Package.
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Old Apr 22, 2003 | 01:34 PM
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This is what you were looking for: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ght=EVO+vs+STi

The UK STi, even with PPP, isn't a great estimate of the USDM STi. Some differences in the US model:

2.5l
Turbo type
Max Boost (14.5 psi US vs 16.5 JDM)
DBW
Gauges
Wheels
Tires
DCCD
Rear Diff
Front suspension geometry
Seats
Steering rack
Weight

So, bascially large (or entire) parts of the suspension, drivetrain and engine are different (aside from the 6 speed). Speaking of the six speed, reviewer's opinions on it are as varied as the people themselves. When EVO (the magazine) compared the JDM Evo 7 to the JDM STi7, they commented that "the STi has the shifter the Evo deserves."

Regardless, in two weeks you'll have more USDM Evo vs STi discussions than you can stand (if you haven't already met your limit yet).

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Old Apr 22, 2003 | 01:38 PM
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300hp for the STi in the UK? Must be the prodrive verison. The standrad STi has 2.0L and the UK version doesnt' even have twin scroll! The UK has the crappest version of STi.
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Old Apr 22, 2003 | 01:50 PM
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I heard somewhere that every Sti sold in England was a Prodrive version, so in essence, the Euro Spec was irrelevant.
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Old Apr 22, 2003 | 02:08 PM
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Those lap times for the Evo are incredible.
I think the Evo will be faster around corners than the STI.
But I bet the US STI turns in consistant low 13's and high 12's.
It's going to be fast in a straight for sure.
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Old Apr 22, 2003 | 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by vegetta
Those lap times for the Evo are incredible.
I think the Evo will be faster around corners than the STI.
But I bet the US STI turns in consistant low 13's and high 12's.
It's going to be fast in a straight for sure.
the guy from turbo mag running around in the sti has done a best 1/8th time of 8.2 secs. Thats pretty damn fast. He thinks he can get below 8.0 once he gets used to the car.

Can't wait to get some real documented magazine articles

Even shiv said :
"Newsflash: The STi that I saw dyno'd made substantially more power than the EVO. And not suprisingly, it's also a bit quicker and faster in the 1/4 mile, despite having to shift into 5th gear well before the trap. Compared to the STi, power output isn't the EVO's strong point. But that should be old news by now."

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Old Apr 22, 2003 | 03:00 PM
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300hp and 300lb ft of torque for the prodrive STi vs the 300hp and 300lb ft of torque for the USA model.?

I thought it would be very similar.? O well.....
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Old Apr 22, 2003 | 05:03 PM
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Old Apr 22, 2003 | 05:05 PM
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Wow! 8.2seconds in a 1/8th mile? last week i saw an STi that some guy was testing for Subaru get an 8.62 which was fast already.
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Old Apr 22, 2003 | 05:13 PM
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8.59 was my best 1/8 mile 8.2 is probably 12's in the quarter.

As for the USDM STi, does it have the Type RA spec C front suspention If it does with the spec C shocks we might be in trouble.
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Old Apr 22, 2003 | 05:15 PM
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If teh EVO had 320 hp for another 3500-5000, I think there would be some interest. But anyhting more then that, and people will just buy the Sti. At least there are parts for teh EVO in teh first place, there is NOTHING in the market for the aftermarket for the STI. And, since the engine will be specific only to the US, I am sure that the quality of parts and performace from the EVO tuners will be better tested then for the STi, especialy if only 5000 of the STis are coming to the US.
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Old Apr 22, 2003 | 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by MEGABUSA
300hp and 300lb ft of torque for the prodrive STi vs the 300hp and 300lb ft of torque for the USA model.?

I thought it would be very similar.? O well.....
UK STI = 3234 lbs
UK EVO = 3102 lbs
Difference = 132 lbs


US STI = 3263 lbs
US EVO = 3263 lbs
Difference = 0 lbs


Those 132 lbs should impact how the US versions Handle and Accelerate.

Also the US STi with it's 2.5l engine should be a lot stronger off-boost below 3000 rpms. My '02 WRX is slow as mollasses before the boost kicks in
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Old Apr 22, 2003 | 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by dlowman

Even shiv said :
"Newsflash: The STi that I saw dyno'd made substantially more power than the EVO. And not suprisingly, it's also a bit quicker and faster in the 1/4 mile, despite having to shift into 5th gear well before the trap. Compared to the STi, power output isn't the EVO's strong point. But that should be old news by now."

Dan
I love it! I assume the dyno was not Shivs?

Speedlimit......
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Old Apr 22, 2003 | 06:24 PM
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US STI = 3263 lbs
Kinda funny though...how they tried to reach the weight of the Evo. The Sti doesn't include stereo, speakers, or floormats. All of which will be added by most owners....making the Sti actually around 3300 lbs. Not that 50lbs will make a ton of difference. I think Subaru thought it would look bad if the Sti came weighing more than the Evo. I remember everyone..especially Subaru people saying the Evo was overweight compared to j-spec......
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