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Anyway I agree with a lot of the others, at first I hated how it looked but its starting to grow on me. Plus power is always sexy so if its fast it will look hotter in my eye!
The new transmission
Everybody keeps saying DSG. Has anybody actually read somewhere that the new tranny is going to be a dual clutch unit like VW DSG? All I've found is that it will be some kind of servo shifted true manual with 6 speeds. I hope it won't have 2 clutches, because that has got to be harder and more expensive to mod. I am hoping it will have a single clutch. That would be like the BMW SMG, Audi R Tronic like in the new R8 road car, and every modern Ferrari with paddle shifters. The 2 clutch system is smoother shifting, true. But someday when your modded X needs a clutch to handle 450 ft-lbs of torque, you will be glad it is a single clutch system. (Or the 5-speed traditional manual with a clutch pedal which will also be available).
All the trannies you mentioned are all unfortunately going to be tricky to work with mod-wise anyway, twin-clutch or not. I mean, these are still fairly rare items unlike the normal manual trannies we know and love, and that applies to all of them.
If it's not the number of the clutch plate then it's likely to be the other bits involved. For example, let's say you upgrade the clutch and thus the clamping load - this would then increase the load on whatever the heck it is they use to actuate the clutch and you'll need to beef that up too. Granted, with a twin-clutch you're going to need double the bits that move and you're going to work probably both ends of it. But the others aren't exactly easy.
Then there's the control parameters to worry about - much like tuning the engine you'll probably need to tune this too if you're faffing around with the innards of the gearbox. The common manual clutch has the driver as the infinitely variable and adaptable user so if you make a change to the drivetrain, you automatically adjust to cope. Now an ECU will try to shift a tranny with a triple plate clutch and super-light flywheel the same way it does a stocker. Which probably won't be nice. I'm sure there's a certain amount of adjustability in there somewhere, but when you're asking for it to take more than 2x what it was born with, I'm sure they hadn't designed it in.
The main point here is that I hope Mitsu allows for considerable power and torque headroom in their system in the standard form. Obviously there has to be some kind of ceiling to keep costs down (the cost of a 1,000whp capable 'box in a 300whp car). But fingers crossed they've worked out that the major part of the evo's appeal is in the moddability.
Better yet, I think they should stick with the normal 6-speed, just make it beefier, more efficient and nicer to use. That's really all they need to do. Offer that and perhaps an auto for the lazier of us and be done with it. IMO these trick 'boxes aren't really needed for the evo. Spending that money on something like 16-step adjustable ohlins on all corners, some weight reduction and perhaps an i/c spray system that works would be so much wiser, I think.
{p.s. I've only tried two such systems. The Maserati Quattroporte uses a system that makes the otherwise really nice car appear to have in the passenger seat, an invisible and blind retard who randomly shifts gears for you whenever he feels like. The Bentley Continental GT uses the Audi system and that's really good but it gets a bit busy in slow traffic.}
If it's not the number of the clutch plate then it's likely to be the other bits involved. For example, let's say you upgrade the clutch and thus the clamping load - this would then increase the load on whatever the heck it is they use to actuate the clutch and you'll need to beef that up too. Granted, with a twin-clutch you're going to need double the bits that move and you're going to work probably both ends of it. But the others aren't exactly easy.
Then there's the control parameters to worry about - much like tuning the engine you'll probably need to tune this too if you're faffing around with the innards of the gearbox. The common manual clutch has the driver as the infinitely variable and adaptable user so if you make a change to the drivetrain, you automatically adjust to cope. Now an ECU will try to shift a tranny with a triple plate clutch and super-light flywheel the same way it does a stocker. Which probably won't be nice. I'm sure there's a certain amount of adjustability in there somewhere, but when you're asking for it to take more than 2x what it was born with, I'm sure they hadn't designed it in.
The main point here is that I hope Mitsu allows for considerable power and torque headroom in their system in the standard form. Obviously there has to be some kind of ceiling to keep costs down (the cost of a 1,000whp capable 'box in a 300whp car). But fingers crossed they've worked out that the major part of the evo's appeal is in the moddability.
Better yet, I think they should stick with the normal 6-speed, just make it beefier, more efficient and nicer to use. That's really all they need to do. Offer that and perhaps an auto for the lazier of us and be done with it. IMO these trick 'boxes aren't really needed for the evo. Spending that money on something like 16-step adjustable ohlins on all corners, some weight reduction and perhaps an i/c spray system that works would be so much wiser, I think.
{p.s. I've only tried two such systems. The Maserati Quattroporte uses a system that makes the otherwise really nice car appear to have in the passenger seat, an invisible and blind retard who randomly shifts gears for you whenever he feels like. The Bentley Continental GT uses the Audi system and that's really good but it gets a bit busy in slow traffic.}
Just google it.
Pound for pound, aluminum is four times stronger than steel. It has greater tensility (the greatest longitudinal stress a substance can bear without tearing apart) and yield (how much stress a material can tolerate before permanently deforming).
Apparently in a crash, aluminum absorbs two times the energy compared to steel.
Aluminum can replace iron and steel in automobiles with weight savings of 45 to 50 percent with increasing performance and no safety loss.
http://www.autoaluminum.org/main/ind...0&ArticleID=20
http://www.aluminum.org/ANTemplate.c...ContentID=9015
http://www.streetrodderweb.com/tech/...aluminum_axle/
Pound for pound, aluminum is four times stronger than steel. It has greater tensility (the greatest longitudinal stress a substance can bear without tearing apart) and yield (how much stress a material can tolerate before permanently deforming).
Apparently in a crash, aluminum absorbs two times the energy compared to steel.
Aluminum can replace iron and steel in automobiles with weight savings of 45 to 50 percent with increasing performance and no safety loss.
http://www.autoaluminum.org/main/ind...0&ArticleID=20
http://www.aluminum.org/ANTemplate.c...ContentID=9015
http://www.streetrodderweb.com/tech/...aluminum_axle/
I like the way the X looks...and it has some cool new stuff......but in one of the articles I read...it said because of the new 4B11 engine and not having forged internals..and do to the fact that it is not the 4G63...that it will be a problem to turn up the boost. The boost is up almost as high as it will go...for what the engine itself can handle.
That made me sad
That made me sad
I like the way the X looks...and it has some cool new stuff......but in one of the articles I read...it said because of the new 4B11 engine and not having forged internals..and do to the fact that it is not the 4G63...that it will be a problem to turn up the boost. The boost is up almost as high as it will go...for what the engine itself can handle.
That made me sad
That made me sad

And who would know about the internals anyways or how the 4b11 will be over-all if no one except Mitsubishi has driven and worked on it and they aren't saying anything yet. Therefore I have to say, if you in fact did read something like that, that it was some major BS.
Where's your link to the source?
And who would know about the internals anyways or how the 4b11 will be over-all if no one except Mitsubishi has driven and worked on it and they aren't saying anything yet. Therefore I have to say, if you in fact did read something like that, that it was some major BS.
And who would know about the internals anyways or how the 4b11 will be over-all if no one except Mitsubishi has driven and worked on it and they aren't saying anything yet. Therefore I have to say, if you in fact did read something like that, that it was some major BS.
Where's your link to the source?
And who would know about the internals anyways or how the 4b11 will be over-all if no one except Mitsubishi has driven and worked on it and they aren't saying anything yet. Therefore I have to say, if you in fact did read something like that, that it was some major BS.
And who would know about the internals anyways or how the 4b11 will be over-all if no one except Mitsubishi has driven and worked on it and they aren't saying anything yet. Therefore I have to say, if you in fact did read something like that, that it was some major BS.
Oh man, I was with you all the way until:
7. The interior looks great in the concept, specifically it kicks the crap out of the horrifically outdated gauges in my IX.
The interior is terrible IMO and is probably the sole reason why I would not purchase this car right now (Lame reason to some I know but you spend your time on the inside of the car, not the outside). Hell, the interior of the STi was one of the reasons why I decided to go with an Evo instead.
Otherwise several good points and I really look forward to the new X :thumup:
7. The interior looks great in the concept, specifically it kicks the crap out of the horrifically outdated gauges in my IX.
The interior is terrible IMO and is probably the sole reason why I would not purchase this car right now (Lame reason to some I know but you spend your time on the inside of the car, not the outside). Hell, the interior of the STi was one of the reasons why I decided to go with an Evo instead.
Otherwise several good points and I really look forward to the new X :thumup:
Oh man, I was with you all the way until:
7. The interior looks great in the concept, specifically it kicks the crap out of the horrifically outdated gauges in my IX.
The interior is terrible IMO and is probably the sole reason why I would not purchase this car right now (Lame reason to some I know but you spend your time on the inside of the car, not the outside). Hell, the interior of the STi was one of the reasons why I decided to go with an Evo instead.
Otherwise several good points and I really look forward to the new X :thumup:
7. The interior looks great in the concept, specifically it kicks the crap out of the horrifically outdated gauges in my IX.
The interior is terrible IMO and is probably the sole reason why I would not purchase this car right now (Lame reason to some I know but you spend your time on the inside of the car, not the outside). Hell, the interior of the STi was one of the reasons why I decided to go with an Evo instead.
Otherwise several good points and I really look forward to the new X :thumup:



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