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Old Jul 12, 2010 | 12:25 PM
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well this is what i bought theres 2 -4an females and I already have the 1/8th npt adapter that connects to the female and I got the 4 foot so I think im good

here it is

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...K%3AMEWNX%3AIT

so it should be here within 3 days. plus I needed the 90 degree because I was worried the straight part would hit the engine block
That line is what I got too. It's not like, super high quality, but it feels plenty good.
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Old Jul 12, 2010 | 05:07 PM
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That line is what I got too. It's not like, super high quality, but it feels plenty good.
saweet!!! it should be coming in a couple days then I can start driving the car
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Old Jul 16, 2010 | 04:52 PM
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OK so its been 4 days and we have NO INTERNET AT MY HOUSE!!! AHHHHHHH what am I suppose to do? well anyways I got my oil feed line in and it works like a charm no more burnt line gracias lol... I was leaking coolant but it just needed to be tightened.

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03lance your rom is making me run rich like a motha.... Im having afrs as low as 10.0 when im idling but then it goes back up to high 13 and 14s sometimes 15.5 at the most everytime I get close to boost it runs really rich so looks like theres no boosting for me until I get my tune done but it still runs pretty good. Still trying to learn this tuning thing and its difficult even reading that 100 page evo tuning pdf I have is not really helping.
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Old Jul 16, 2010 | 05:30 PM
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hey how did you regulated the oil pressure from the car to your turbo??
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Old Jul 16, 2010 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by steven121
OK so its been 4 days and we have NO INTERNET AT MY HOUSE!!! AHHHHHHH what am I suppose to do? well anyways I got my oil feed line in and it works like a charm no more burnt line gracias lol... I was leaking coolant but it just needed to be tightened.

Updates with the rom
03lance your rom is making me run rich like a motha.... Im having afrs as low as 10.0 when im idling but then it goes back up to high 13 and 14s sometimes 15.5 at the most everytime I get close to boost it runs really rich so looks like theres no boosting for me until I get my tune done but it still runs pretty good. Still trying to learn this tuning thing and its difficult even reading that 100 page evo tuning pdf I have is not really helping.

didnt i send you a link for how to tune yur evo using ecuflash video?
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Old Jul 16, 2010 | 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by steven121
OK so its been 4 days and we have NO INTERNET AT MY HOUSE!!! AHHHHHHH what am I suppose to do? well anyways I got my oil feed line in and it works like a charm no more burnt line gracias lol... I was leaking coolant but it just needed to be tightened.

Updates with the rom
03lance your rom is making me run rich like a motha.... Im having afrs as low as 10.0 when im idling but then it goes back up to high 13 and 14s sometimes 15.5 at the most everytime I get close to boost it runs really rich so looks like theres no boosting for me until I get my tune done but it still runs pretty good. Still trying to learn this tuning thing and its difficult even reading that 100 page evo tuning pdf I have is not really helping.
Not surprising your having different issues. This was only supposed to be used for a base tune that you could start your tuning from. I never watch the wideband during idle I only watch the fuel trims, this will tell you how close you are. In any case better rich than lean
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Old Jul 17, 2010 | 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by marco-ir
hey how did you regulated the oil pressure from the car to your turbo??
? I just connected a feed line to it and tightened the line down like 20 pounds of torque it something like that
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Old Jul 17, 2010 | 12:29 AM
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didnt i send you a link for how to tune yur evo using ecuflash video?
Yeah I still have them on my desktop its helping but some of the stuff is still difficult
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Old Jul 17, 2010 | 12:32 AM
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Not surprising your having different issues. This was only supposed to be used for a base tune that you could start your tuning from. I never watch the wideband during idle I only watch the fuel trims, this will tell you how close you are. In any case better rich than lean
I installed the 440 s and just flashed it on my ecu I figured I might as well flash it and start that for my tuning yeah your exactly right better to run rich
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Old Jul 17, 2010 | 05:20 AM
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Yeah I still have them on my desktop its helping but some of the stuff is still difficult
I tell ya, the real part that confuses me, is how to handle such a drastic change. I mean, we turbo the car, then start to tune, and everyone says "small adjustments"....but when you turbo, you've gotta pull like 5 degrees or more of timing from the entire "boost" region, and you've got to richen it up all the way through there too. Without a starting point, which you have with 03's map, it would be hell I think to get it all ironed out. I know the guide to tuning an evo, and the videos are all good but....is the community of turbo lancers too small to make a few guides for us and tuning the turbo specifically a waste of time? I think one real nice how to tune the turbo lancer sticky should happen at some point. Also, once you go pistons/rods, then it's a real tough deal...upping boost until you see serious numbers, and you just keep making the adjustments I guess. But...how do you know what to shoot for, like...20psi or more, where is the line drawn at which you know engine failure will follow? never known, just always out there and when you hit it...you know?
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 09:58 PM
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hey JRR where are those videos that I can look at to learn how to tune again? my computer resetted itself today and I lost almost everything except my roms.

and does anyone know any good tuning threads that list everything step by step on how to tune an ecu? heres my problem.

I start the car, the afr's drop from 13 to 10 and when I let it idle or warm up the afr's go back up to the 14.5 to 5.5 area, and when I spool up the turbo the afr's drop to 10 or lower. And today I was leaning out for some reason? not sure why it got as low as to 17 when I was driving so I spooled up the turbo to get the fuel in the engine, it gets rich and then it goes back up the the 15 area. Not sure whats going on? im wondering if its my second O2 sensor since its not installed and im running a check engine light. I think im going to buy the tactrix cable next week when I get paid so I can tune or at least flash a better rom to work with.
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by steven121
hey JRR where are those videos that I can look at to learn how to tune again? my computer resetted itself today and I lost almost everything except my roms.

and does anyone know any good tuning threads that list everything step by step on how to tune an ecu? heres my problem.

I start the car, the afr's drop from 13 to 10 and when I let it idle or warm up the afr's go back up to the 14.5 to 5.5 area, and when I spool up the turbo the afr's drop to 10 or lower. And today I was leaning out for some reason? not sure why it got as low as to 17 when I was driving so I spooled up the turbo to get the fuel in the engine, it gets rich and then it goes back up the the 15 area. Not sure whats going on? im wondering if its my second O2 sensor since its not installed and im running a check engine light. I think im going to buy the tactrix cable next week when I get paid so I can tune or at least flash a better rom to work with.
Problem:
Injectors are not scaled correctly and possible latency issues. This will cause the computer to dump fuel in while its in open loop then correct it soon as the engine warms back up.

This can also cause the computer to try yanking fuel out of the low trim too much causing lean spots at the transition point where the computer switches back to opwn loop.

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Reset you battery for 1 minute to clear fuel trims.

Put your car's into full time open loop by setting the open loop load settings to 10 across the board. This is low enough the car will never see closed loop. Next verify your injector CC setting. Once your positive its pretty close say a 440cc injector should be rated near 416cc at 42psi of fuel pressure like we run.

If its lean drop the latency of the injectors by selecting the whole right hand side and using the "*" key to multiply it by some percentage say we see something pretty bad like 12AFR at idle lets increase the the latency to lean it out by "*" then using a value like 0.85 so we removed 15% of the latency and thus 15% of the possible fuel the injector will try to add to the engine. The opposite is true with 1.15 we would add 15% of latency and thus 15% more fuel. Once the injector is stable at 14.7AFR its time for a drive.

First try a short drive with the car in open loop. See if you get lean spikes or rich spikes comparatively to whats actually in the AFRMap value at the time. If your rich then you need to increase the CC value of the injector and visa versa is true.

Once you get it running fair in the open loop disable it and run a test drive.
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by HornstarBU
I tell ya, the real part that confuses me, is how to handle such a drastic change. I mean, we turbo the car, then start to tune, and everyone says "small adjustments"....but when you turbo, you've gotta pull like 5 degrees or more of timing from the entire "boost" region, and you've got to richen it up all the way through there too. Without a starting point, which you have with 03's map, it would be hell I think to get it all ironed out. I know the guide to tuning an evo, and the videos are all good but....is the community of turbo lancers too small to make a few guides for us and tuning the turbo specifically a waste of time? I think one real nice how to tune the turbo lancer sticky should happen at some point. Also, once you go pistons/rods, then it's a real tough deal...upping boost until you see serious numbers, and you just keep making the adjustments I guess. But...how do you know what to shoot for, like...20psi or more, where is the line drawn at which you know engine failure will follow? never known, just always out there and when you hit it...you know?

The easy path to turbo is to simply copy your low timing over to the high timing map and work from there. Then take you low timing map and start removing timing in the running area like 5 degrees to be extra safe if it ever gets there.

The evo guide to tuning is perfectly relevant to any vehicle. The actual tuning notes and concepts really don't change per vehicle really just specific settings like maximum timing, boost, rpm, and AFR where its safe to run.

Since you guys are relatively high compression you probably want to be on the safe side of AFR like 11AFR about with premium fuel and maybe even lower if you hit low octane.

Timing on stroker motors is LOWER than on destroked motors plain and simple. Do not try to run evo timing right off the bat you will probably destroy something. Work up to it and see if you run into a point where you don't gain torque from incrasing timing. Once you do or knock you pull back a degree or two for safety.
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Old Jul 20, 2010 | 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by steven121
hey JRR where are those videos that I can look at to learn how to tune again? my computer resetted itself today and I lost almost everything except my roms.

and does anyone know any good tuning threads that list everything step by step on how to tune an ecu? heres my problem.

I start the car, the afr's drop from 13 to 10 and when I let it idle or warm up the afr's go back up to the 14.5 to 5.5 area, and when I spool up the turbo the afr's drop to 10 or lower. And today I was leaning out for some reason? not sure why it got as low as to 17 when I was driving so I spooled up the turbo to get the fuel in the engine, it gets rich and then it goes back up the the 15 area. Not sure whats going on? im wondering if its my second O2 sensor since its not installed and im running a check engine light. I think im going to buy the tactrix cable next week when I get paid so I can tune or at least flash a better rom to work with.
You still dont have a cable? Lol I told ya bro, my latest injector settings are different than the rom you have of mine I will send them to you when I have some time so when you get your cable you can try them. For some reason quite a few people that I have talked with have had to scale there 440s to around 360 range including myself I dont know why and I tried running the recommended scaling but I could never get it to work I had to put it at 360.
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Old Jul 20, 2010 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 03lances
You still dont have a cable? Lol I told ya bro, my latest injector settings are different than the rom you have of mine I will send them to you when I have some time so when you get your cable you can try them. For some reason quite a few people that I have talked with have had to scale there 440s to around 360 range including myself I dont know why and I tried running the recommended scaling but I could never get it to work I had to put it at 360.
I'm surprised you guys just don't go with evo injectors as we already have settings for them. Don't they fit?
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