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Old Nov 18, 2015 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
I discussed how for both USDM and non-USDM in my reply and others before me also explained how in USDM cars.

Not paying attention seems to be a theme in this thread.
Adding fuel on decel explains why it makes funny noises. We all get that. But nobody has said how they made their car do it.
I.E. A bit of detail regarding what they did in their tune.

People going off half cocked also seems to be a theme in this thread.
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Old Nov 18, 2015 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by kaj
Adding fuel on decel explains why it makes funny noises. We all get that. But nobody has said how they made their car do it.
I.E. A bit of detail regarding what they did in their tune
Yes they have. If you want step by step instructions ask your tuner.

Retarded timing and added fuel on decel pretty much spells it out word for word but I'm also a tuner so...
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Old Nov 18, 2015 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
Yes they have. If you want step by step instructions ask your tuner.

Retarded timing and added fuel on decel pretty much spells it out word for word but I'm also a tuner so...
LOL okay.
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Old Nov 18, 2015 | 09:11 PM
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http://www.gkn.com/frankfurt/news-an...-Focus-RS.aspx

I wonder if Ford's continual harping on "Hooning" and drift mode is going to impact insurance rates.

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Old Nov 19, 2015 | 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by kaj
LOL okay.
if you were to put low or even negative timing in low load high RPM part of the ignition map (i.e. part of the map that you only see when lifting off on high RPM) you will get a nice bang or two, esp when shifting..

for added fuel and more pops and bangs, you need to play with decel cut off maps, and I am not sure they are a standard part of the definition... do a search on evom... I have it for EUDM so it is of no use to you..

personally I am no fan of dumping fuel and heat in the exhaust on decel on street cars.
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Old Nov 19, 2015 | 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by kikiturbo
if you were to put low or even negative timing in low load high RPM part of the ignition map (i.e. part of the map that you only see when lifting off on high RPM) you will get a nice bang or two, esp when shifting..

for added fuel and more pops and bangs, you need to play with decel cut off maps, and I am not sure they are a standard part of the definition... do a search on evom... I have it for EUDM so it is of no use to you..

personally I am no fan of dumping fuel and heat in the exhaust on decel on street cars.

i am

Also many guys who heard those set ups . Seems Ford chief engineers
etc too.

So as Jaguar and so on so forth.

New dawn for street cars. i am sure the people will be happy and love it in the RS too, if its done well.

Also those noise came really from the rally racing field ( due the restrictions they got and the small turbo charged engines with a huge lag without ALS)

So the RS exclusively made in Europe in Germany. Millions or rally fans in EU and all around a world. This car born in rally, that is clear.
Hence this bang and pops sound, Ford think is a must to make a very strong connection to the roots where this car came from.
This way they do make millions of enthusiast happy.

As many here knows i love rally ( hence why i buy rally cars even for street like the EVO) that is why my street car has it also.

Cant be happier. Pops and Bangs is a must in my mind for rally breed car. More then any parts like canards. In short i am happy they decided to add on this feature over any other set ups but Normal. LOL

IMHO

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Old Nov 19, 2015 | 05:58 AM
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I have decided to place performance diminishing pops and burbles (i.e., wasted fuel, higher EGT's, and potential damage to turbo) into the category of whistle tips and exhaust flame kits. You are of course free to have your own opinions.

Tha whistles go WOOO
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Old Nov 19, 2015 | 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by moparfan
http://www.gkn.com/frankfurt/news-an...-Focus-RS.aspx

I wonder if Ford's continual harping on "Hooning" and drift mode is going to impact insurance rates.


I'm sure this car will be expensive to insure. Enough people will wrap them around trees or hurl them off cliffs with drift mode... similar to how the evo came to US
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Old Nov 19, 2015 | 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by moparfan
http://www.gkn.com/frankfurt/news-an...-Focus-RS.aspx

I wonder if Ford's continual harping on "Hooning" and drift mode is going to impact insurance rates.
in this new world where cars that exhibit oversteer are frowned uppon by the manufacturers I wholeheartedly welcome what ford did. I just hope it works really well and wish they weren't so blatantly obvious about it..
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Old Nov 19, 2015 | 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
I have decided to place performance diminishing pops and burbles (i.e., wasted fuel, higher EGT's, and potential damage to turbo) into the category of whistle tips and exhaust flame kits. You are of course free to have your own opinions.

Tha whistles go WOOO
Bubb Rubb and Lil Sis: "Tha whistles go WOOO" - YouTube
Perhaps that is your opinion on this , probably this is your experience with different exhaust notes, if I am guessing that right based on your reply.

My experience are different, I actually never heard an exhaust whistle before , but thanks it was interesting

What Ford and others think is about burble and pops is this, and they do add on they factory tune to make not just visible connection ( like wings etc) now they do add sound effects to the market :


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Old Nov 19, 2015 | 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Robevo RS
What Ford and other think is about burble and pops is this, and they do add on they factory tune to make not just visible connection ( like wings etc) now they do add sound effects to the market [/url]
The difference being that the visible components (like the wing) are functional. While the pops and burbles are just a "sound effect." If it had zero effect on performance, fine. But it actually hurts the car's overall performance.
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Old Nov 19, 2015 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
The difference being that the visible components (like the wing) are functional. While the pops and burbles are just a "sound effect." If it had zero effect on performance, fine. But it actually hurts the car's overall performance.
Would you elaborate that for us?

After you do that please explain how much benefit you get from your Evo wing when you DD your car or actually driving it on highway vs not having one.

Thanks
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Old Nov 19, 2015 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by kikiturbo
if you were to put low or even negative timing in low load high RPM part of the ignition map (i.e. part of the map that you only see when lifting off on high RPM) you will get a nice bang or two, esp when shifting..

for added fuel and more pops and bangs, you need to play with decel cut off maps, and I am not sure they are a standard part of the definition... do a search on evom... I have it for EUDM so it is of no use to you..

personally I am no fan of dumping fuel and heat in the exhaust on decel on street cars.
Aaaah. That makes perfect sense. Thank you.
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Old Nov 19, 2015 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Robevo RS
Would you elaborate that for us?
From what I have read, excess fuel is put into the exhaust manifold (pre turbo) to get these pops and burbles. This results in extra heat (EGTs), reduced fuel efficiency, and extra wear (from the fuel igniting) on the turbo hotside (like a ALS just with smaller "pops") http://lancerregister.com/showthread...s+bangs+damage

Even Raj in the videos said the engineering side of him hates the pops and burbles. What do you call reduced fuel efficiency for 0 performance gain? I call it a loss.


Originally Posted by Robevo RS
After you do that please explain how much benefit you get from your Evo wing when you DD your car or actually driving it on highway vs not having one.
The Evo wing (just like all functional aero components) might not be noticed in daily driving. Thankfully, DD is not the only thing I do with my Evo. Mitsubishi but a lot of engineering into achieving "zero lift" on the IX and the adjustable wing on the VI is clearly functional and made for racing.
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Old Nov 19, 2015 | 09:31 AM
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I really don't get the hate on the bangs and pops. It seems like a big deal is being made over nothing.
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