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Old Nov 19, 2015 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
I really don't get the hate on the bangs and pops. It seems like a big deal is being made over nothing.
It's such a small thing, but provides lots of enjoyment. Sounds good to me.
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Old Nov 19, 2015 | 09:41 AM
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I really don't get the hate on the bangs and pops. It seems like a big deal is being made over nothing.
Depending on how much it raises EGT it may be a big deal. EGTs are your enemy if you drive your car hard. Heat kills.

Let me put it this way, would you want a mod that lowers your fuel efficiency, raises your EGT, may harm your turbo, and provides 0 hp?
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Old Nov 19, 2015 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
From what I have read, excess fuel is put into the exhaust manifold (pre turbo) to get these pops and burbles. This results in extra heat (EGTs), reduced fuel efficiency, and extra wear (from the fuel igniting) on the turbo hotside (like a ALS just with smaller "pops") http://lancerregister.com/showthread...s+bangs+damage

Even Raj in the videos said the engineering side of him hates the pops and burbles. What do you call reduced fuel efficiency for 0 performance gain? I call it a loss.




The Evo wing (just like all functional aero components) might not be noticed in daily driving. Thankfully, DD is not the only thing I do with my Evo. Mitsubishi but a lot of engineering into achieving "zero lift" on the IX and the adjustable wing on the VI is clearly functional and made for racing.

You just can't be happy about anything...


And FWIW, taking the wing off my car helped bring the balance more neutral in high speed corners. It makes sense because the car has no front aero stock. Having only rear down force creates an imbalance...
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Old Nov 19, 2015 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
From what I have read, excess fuel is put into the exhaust manifold (pre turbo) to get these pops and burbles. This results in extra heat (EGTs), reduced fuel efficiency, and extra wear (from the fuel igniting) on the turbo hotside (like a ALS just with smaller "pops") http://lancerregister.com/showthread...s+bangs+damage

Even Raj in the videos said the engineering side of him hates the pops and burbles. What do you call reduced fuel efficiency for 0 performance gain? I call it a loss.




The Evo wing (just like all functional aero components) might not be noticed in daily driving. Thankfully, DD is not the only thing I do with my Evo. Mitsubishi but a lot of engineering into achieving "zero lift" on the IX and the adjustable wing on the VI is clearly functional and made for racing.

So I am sure you aware of the fact as old pops and bangs give you a lots of fire, the new and new tunes doesn't... So as the ALS. The old ones destroyed turbos about every 3 race you needed a new turbo, the new type of tunes... seasons you can run. But a same thing new ALS doesn't have flames, like the old ones, which destroyed turbos
As technologies advance things are changing... There are different ways they doing it now, actually if I am right, not with a fuel dump anymore quite the opposite . Hence no flames.

The ECUs are faster the ignitions are faster, we have electric throttles etc.

Old Evo VI has flames and adjustable wing, no need for adjustable wing on street, the VI adjustments was... not noticeable I have to say that, reason why stopped doing it...

Sure if the Ford RS would suffer performance wise of the pops and bangs, and would create engine issues and damages , they wouldn't optioned on every other settings which is sports modes but not the Normal.
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Old Nov 19, 2015 | 09:49 AM
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@Vivid, if you ever build an RS like you did the rest ST I'll just sit back and wait for it to go up for sale so I can buy it lol. That ST was the sexiest ST I've ever seen in my life.
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Old Nov 19, 2015 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
It seems like a big deal is being made over nothing.
That should be the title of this whole thread, combined with "People talking out their *** about the little they actually know"

People asking how pops and bangs are created then later saying it hurts babies, kittens and causes infertility in women, even though they have zero actual experience with it, and didn't even know how to create it in the first place.

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Old Nov 19, 2015 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
That should be the title of this whole thread, combined with "People talking out their *** about the little they actually know"

People asking how pops and bangs are created then later saying it hurts babies, kittens and causes infertility in women, even though they have zero actual experience with it, and didn't even know how to create it in the first place.
Honestly most of the thread is 90% banter between people. Some of the goofy replies are the entertaining part. Which is why I waste time reading some of it.

I just hope at some point in the RS's life they offer a European focus package like they did the SVT. I want those European Recros, I don't care for the US Recaro crap.
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Old Nov 19, 2015 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
You just can't be happy about anything...


And FWIW, taking the wing off my car helped bring the balance more neutral in high speed corners. It makes sense because the car has no front aero stock. Having only rear down force creates an imbalance...
Probably to promote the "safer" understeer bias that most car companies tune for?

And LOL at some of the salty posts. At least be accurate with the whining and not twist stuff around.
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Old Nov 19, 2015 | 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
People asking how pops and bangs are created then later saying it hurts babies, kittens and causes infertility in women, even though they have zero actual experience with it, and didn't even know how to create it in the first place.
Which is exactly why I asked, and then did the research to learn more about it. The have been tuning with ALS cars, and pops and bang tunes for decades in the UK, so lancerregister is where I looked for answers.

If you think putting extra fuel into your exhaust to "sound cool" is a good thing, that is your choice.
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Old Nov 19, 2015 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
Depending on how much it raises EGT it may be a big deal. EGTs are your enemy if you drive your car hard. Heat kills.

Let me put it this way, would you want a mod that lowers your fuel efficiency, raises your EGT, may harm your turbo, and provides 0 hp?
I'm going to trust that the engineers and bean counters over at Ford know more about the consequences of a mild tuning change than you. If it presented a risk of failure, there's no way Ford would do it. All of your issues are speculation, combined with almost doomsday thinking. Sure, it probably raises EGTs briefly. Like, split second briefly. The impact it has on fuel efficiency it similarly likely negligible. I really doubt it harms the turbo either.
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Old Nov 19, 2015 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
Which is exactly why I asked, and then did the research to learn more about it. The have been tuning with ALS cars, and pops and bang tunes for decades in the UK, so lancerregister is where I looked for answers.

If you think putting extra fuel into your exhaust to "sound cool" is a good thing, that is your choice.
I think I just did say that is not a case 2015 as far as I know. No more spectacular flames .
Instead a rapid gun shots , because the ECUS are sooo much faster.

Lancer register that forum and thread is at least not young... so you bring old thrad into a new car set up. Different ECUs etc.

I have 0 loss and damage over 28K mile in my X . And will not be. Its about the quality of tune.
You can bet Ford did they home work on this one...

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Old Nov 19, 2015 | 10:20 AM
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I have 0 loss and damage over 28K mile in my X . And will not be. Its about the quality of tune.
You can bet Ford did they home work on this one...
Could you please then explain how a "modern" pops and bangs tune works? Are your EGT's higher with the pops and bangs than without? Did it affect your mpg?

Unless I am misreading the science behind it, fuel + air = combustion = extra heat pre-turbo.
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Old Nov 19, 2015 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
I'm going to trust that the engineers and bean counters over at Ford know more about the consequences of a mild tuning change than you. If it presented a risk of failure, there's no way Ford would do it. All of your issues are speculation, combined with almost doomsday thinking. Sure, it probably raises EGTs briefly. Like, split second briefly. The impact it has on fuel efficiency it similarly likely negligible. I really doubt it harms the turbo either.

I don't know the answer to that which really causing the fuel consumption raise high. But when I have Pops and bangs , that is over 3600 rpm only. SO that means usually I am on the throttle, so the car needs a lots of fuel.
So pops and bangs means sports mode anyway, who cares the fuel consumption in that moment?
Maybe add some extra mpg, but I don't mind spending money on the women's which screams in bed , then the other types who silent as a night.

we all different , so there is a Normal mode for you literally in everything...
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Old Nov 19, 2015 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
Could you please then explain how a "modern" pops and bangs tune works? Are your EGT's higher with the pops and bangs than without? Did it affect your mpg?

Unless I am misreading the science behind it, fuel + air = combustion = extra heat pre-turbo.

No I am not a tuner, but I think they cut the fuel instead of dumping, that is why no flames anymore in the exhaust when its working.

My tuner tunes and doesn't speak ..lol Besides I don't really care, I am a user and I will not try to do something I don't understand or study deeply.
He tells me basic stuff, that is all I care.

ALS does makes a bit higher EGT for less then 7 sec. when its working , but its switches off after, until you touch the throttle again.
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Old Nov 19, 2015 | 10:55 AM
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My car pops and bangs with just retarded timing.


EDIT: I lied. I did add fuel in the fuel table....lol

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