Focus RS
Thats part of my point. I judge a car I might be interested in, by what it is today (available to the masses), all encompassing. You just want to compare stock cars to stock cars, based on the manufacturers suggested retail.
You way is fine, if you just want to compare cars heads up, not considering true current retail. I never look at two cars that way, it's always what kind of fun can I have for the money, today (and yes all the other factors weigh in, of which the RS wins many). The only car that this does not totally apply to is my DD, but even that I got a smoking deal on a left over 15, because it was the end of the year and the fusion sport was coming out in 6 months (making my once was top dog in the fusion world, 2.0 turbo AWD, not very desirable anymore).
But I bet I could find an new EVO for under 30 if I really wanted one. And that is how I am able to campaign 9 Fords (most of them old, not costing much on collector insurance), a Mitsu, and a Dodge (11 year old diesel tow rig). I don't overpay for the latest and greatest (except my EVO, which is the only car I paid sticker for ever, and even that was a mistake, could have had an EVO 9 if I waited).
There is no negotiating for the RS right now, because Ford was stupid and limited production heavily. The dealers are making more and happy, but Ford is selling less cars. I would not touch a new RS until they were going for low 30's, for a base model, and they work the bugs out, if any.
At this point, I don't think either of us is wrong, but I do think my way is much closer to how people purchase cars.
You way is fine, if you just want to compare cars heads up, not considering true current retail. I never look at two cars that way, it's always what kind of fun can I have for the money, today (and yes all the other factors weigh in, of which the RS wins many). The only car that this does not totally apply to is my DD, but even that I got a smoking deal on a left over 15, because it was the end of the year and the fusion sport was coming out in 6 months (making my once was top dog in the fusion world, 2.0 turbo AWD, not very desirable anymore).
But I bet I could find an new EVO for under 30 if I really wanted one. And that is how I am able to campaign 9 Fords (most of them old, not costing much on collector insurance), a Mitsu, and a Dodge (11 year old diesel tow rig). I don't overpay for the latest and greatest (except my EVO, which is the only car I paid sticker for ever, and even that was a mistake, could have had an EVO 9 if I waited).
There is no negotiating for the RS right now, because Ford was stupid and limited production heavily. The dealers are making more and happy, but Ford is selling less cars. I would not touch a new RS until they were going for low 30's, for a base model, and they work the bugs out, if any.
At this point, I don't think either of us is wrong, but I do think my way is much closer to how people purchase cars.
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I agree, my AWD fusion easily out handles the base stang GT (mine is a 14, so still solid axle, which makes it worse). IMO, there is no amount of mods you can do to my mustang to make it handle as good as my EVO.
The draw for me was several things.
1. I loved the retro styling, and with some big fat tires out back (and some knockoff Bullitts), love the looks of it.
http://luxjo.supermotors.net/MUSTANG...5/IMG_1208.JPG
2. With only a set of 295 tires out back (not drag radials), it runs 12.7/12.8's @112 all day. No miss shifts, any retard could get in and do it, and it does not spin the tires at all really, would run very close on street, if desired.
3. Due to auto, can take to party, have a couple and woman can still drive it home.
4. Again, due to auto, can drive when back acting up (much smoother, quieter, and more comfortable driving around spiritid on street, than EVO)
5. Engine good for 600 WHP pretty reliably. Auto trans and rear good for 1000WHP. For about 7 grand, ON3 twin turbo (or your choice of CARB approved blower) and a set of drag radials, I'm very reliably running mid 10's (130 plus) or even high 9's (with converter probably). I've never had a 9 or 10 second car and thought it might be fun for a while. Total cost would still be under 36-37K
The draw for me was several things.
1. I loved the retro styling, and with some big fat tires out back (and some knockoff Bullitts), love the looks of it.
http://luxjo.supermotors.net/MUSTANG...5/IMG_1208.JPG
2. With only a set of 295 tires out back (not drag radials), it runs 12.7/12.8's @112 all day. No miss shifts, any retard could get in and do it, and it does not spin the tires at all really, would run very close on street, if desired.
3. Due to auto, can take to party, have a couple and woman can still drive it home.
4. Again, due to auto, can drive when back acting up (much smoother, quieter, and more comfortable driving around spiritid on street, than EVO)
5. Engine good for 600 WHP pretty reliably. Auto trans and rear good for 1000WHP. For about 7 grand, ON3 twin turbo (or your choice of CARB approved blower) and a set of drag radials, I'm very reliably running mid 10's (130 plus) or even high 9's (with converter probably). I've never had a 9 or 10 second car and thought it might be fun for a while. Total cost would still be under 36-37K
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now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure I had a Kooks catback at the time. so like 5ish hp over stock?
7k, haha, never gonna happen. I mean you can buy the kit, but something big like this never goes that easy. you're prolly looking at around double till your car is up and running with a TT setup, a bit less for an SC setup prolly
As a performance car, this eight year old chassis stands up to an RS with ease. Sadly, nothing else about the car does. Stripped of their Recaros in the US, I'm surprised there aren't even more of them languishing on lots in the US. I wouldn't have a 2015 X.
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This video cracks me up everytime. It could be an evo and I'd still laugh.
https://youtu.be/fOelONV_unQ
https://youtu.be/fOelONV_unQ
I ran 12.5 bone stock down to the tires on mine.. this was on a manual though
edit:
now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure I had a Kooks catback at the time. so like 5ish hp over stock?
7k, haha, never gonna happen. I mean you can buy the kit, but something big like this never goes that easy. you're prolly looking at around double till your car is up and running with a TT setup, a bit less for an SC setup prolly
edit:
now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure I had a Kooks catback at the time. so like 5ish hp over stock?
7k, haha, never gonna happen. I mean you can buy the kit, but something big like this never goes that easy. you're prolly looking at around double till your car is up and running with a TT setup, a bit less for an SC setup prolly
It went a best of 12.72 on the first pass ever. So if you ran that 12.5 on
your first pass (and backed it up with another 12.5 or 12.6 for the next 2 passes),
then, yes that is really good.
Installed and tuned, right here for that kind of money
http://gearheadbuilt.myshopify.com/c...-power-package
But, I do all my own work. Kit is $3850. Tune locally is $800. BAP, X, Wrap, Inj, about a grand.
Have 15" DR's kicking around, so a couple rims. Maybe some rear arms.
Even if I need converter, I'm still under 8. And if you are into stangs, you know
you can get a lot of stuff used for spit, compared to buying jap car parts.
Anyway, 14 grand sounds like a guy who drops the car at a shop. Picks it up
and can't drive, so goes back 3 or 4 more times to keep adding stuff
he didn't need to begin with.
