what if the fors was just like the evo, omg discuss

 

Again there are so many doctoring options for this car to make sub average drivers perform like "expert" drivers is a little scary from an instructors POV. Maybe we are all being way too critical and there really isn't any onus on ford to make a homologation car (what we are used to, to support motorsports) so they can do whatever BS they deem reasonable.

 

Speaking of homologation. The 2017 WRC regulation changes will birth a bunch of exciting new homologation cars into the market. With the sports car market heating up, maybe we will even get some in N. America. Probably not the VW Polo, but possibly the Hyundai i20, Ford Fiesta or Toyota Yaris. One can hope.

 

to keep the rpm's up and/or not grenade the drivetrain...

with a turbo car bogging it is the worse thing that can happen for a launch cause it falls off boost then has to build boost again, really kills a launch

also keep in mind the goal might not be the best launch possible, but a specific target. in the vid they said under 5 seconds. with a 345 hp engine (lets say 310ish at the wheels) with awd and 3400lb, I think 4.5 or less is easily possible. so if their goal is 4.8-4.9, that leaves lots of room to program in drivetrain protection


but this is pure speculation.. maybe it really is just a sh*t awd system

 

What, like the Evo?

OK, the more obvious comparison is the GT-R, but so many Evo owners talk about the point-and-shoot nature of the Evo, as well. People want cars that are easy to drive fast because going fast is fun, and going fast in "raw" cars is hard. It seems like the Ford team is giving customers (almost) exactly what they want.

 

you can also get that with a "weaker" clutch system , so rookies can do less damage on the drive train. Familiar idea?

 

loosing boost / power is one thing at launch, but its a whole other story , during AWD "drifting"... Just saying

 

yeah, but I'm talking strictly launch mode. you're not gonna get bogged down to the point of falling out of boost when you're sideways with the throttle pinned if 70% of the power gets sent to the rear, but that is possible during a launch

 

People have said the same thing about the Evo since it first appeared in the US and Canada. I suppose we should go back to the days of RWD, no ABS, no traction control cars to ensure nobody is a poser.

 

TVRs for all!

 

i had one, we burned down to the ground. Carburator fire as the fire department came to the conclusion.... What a piece of **** that car was.

this is about the RS or the too much electronic subject , not towards you.

I have no issue any electrical nannies, as long as its not a limiting factor.

That tons of BS about how easy to drive the X , but when the reality hits on the race track or racing conditions, many finds out very fast, the X just as challenging at the limit as any car. The limits comes later for sure versus some other cars, but it is there , where you have to balance it just right. Now that is a driver, and never a car.

So for me this "driver car" BS etc just laughable. Any car is a driver car.

 

Electronic nannies have matured over the years. I have a feeling that the electronic driveline controls will aid lap times without being intrusive, depending on the mode chosen of course.

 

This... not even for drag racing specifically the fundamentals of tire adhesion, you obtain the highest level of mu right after the onset of slip. I forget the actual slip %, but its very low.

Jokingly we say when it slips it grips

Of course with a turbo motor its worse because of the boost lag, but fundamentally its terrible for any motor, you never want to bog or lug the engine.
A traction control system for a launch is ideal when it can over power the wheels and reduce the slip to maximum levels of grip, instead of the other way around.

Allowing wheel spin can shed off extra power and load while giving the engine a chance to reduce power with the assist of the brake system.

 

To a point. But all those nanny systems add weight and complexity (i.e., more stuff to fail). While systems like brake based torque vectoring can reduce overall speed and prematurely wear components. Plus things like electric power-assisted steering can (and usually do) numb the driving experience.

I guess we will see what, if any, of the nannies are defeatable.

 

Rob you sound like you are familiar with the Escort RS lol!!!!!!

Weak clutches keep your techs employed and your warrantees in check rofl!