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I'm currently in talks with a CA dealership that has a '21 in Yellow with only 6500 miles on it (though it's got some ugly CF side panels I'd need to replace) and a NV dealership who is trying to make a '21 Refraction Blue car work. It has 20k miles, but it's a toyota/BMW, so...
The yellow one has a 38000+ VIN, but I am sternly refusing to mod/tune any engine stuff, so I have no worries about that.
Wish me luck, y'all. Oh. and prices seem to be dropping like rocks. That's what got me looking again. $62k+ cars are now in the $58k range. We're getting there.
Headed to look at one on Sat. I'm wondering if a bubble is about to burst and/or prices will change when the manual cars are being sold.
I'm thinking I should wait a few months.
Quick, overly-simplified question: how much would I be looking at for wheels/tires/control arms/whatever to make this thing stable and more suitable for track use?
I see Dai Yoshihara matched my local PB in a STOCK Supra .. but I ain't professional.
I can only justify buying a "better" car if I can go at least as fast in it as I do my Evo.... And decently faster after equal seat time.
Quick, overly-simplified question: how much would I be looking at for wheels/tires/control arms/whatever to make this thing stable and more suitable for track use?
I see Dai Yoshihara matched my local PB in a STOCK Supra .. but I ain't professional.
I can only justify buying a "better" car if I can go at least as fast in it as I do my Evo.... And decently faster after equal seat time.
Very capable stock with a good alignment.
If you just want to add front camber adjustment, either camber plates ($460) or lower control arms ($650), or both.
Good tires on oem wheels which are 19x9 front / 19x10 rear works well
Or go square so you can rotate wheels and, IMHO, makes the car feel better on track. I run 18x10.5 all around. Or find a set of OEM rears and run a 19x10 setup. If you do that you need to...
In order to go much wider on tires on front with oem springs, you need to run spacers or a lower offset wheel. You can also swap the oem springs out for HKS sleeve springs ($850) and gain tire to spring clearance.
Front sway bar helps a ton with the front feeling a little floaty. Super easy install and costs $300.
All the above would make the car feel really good and fast. If you REALLY want to get more feel in the car, I would suggest SPL lower control arms front, SPL outer tie rods, SPL rear traction bars and SPL rear toe arms. Another advantage is that the SPL parts makes alignments super easy.
One thing to note is the car handles MUCH better the closer you keep it to stock ride height. Especially the rear.
If you just want to add front camber adjustment, either camber plates ($460) or lower control arms ($650), or both.
Good tires on oem wheels which are 19x9 front / 19x10 rear works well
Or go square so you can rotate wheels and, IMHO, makes the car feel better on track. I run 18x10.5 all around. Or find a set of OEM rears and run a 19x10 setup. If you do that you need to...
In order to go much wider on tires on front with oem springs, you need to run spacers or a lower offset wheel. You can also swap the oem springs out for HKS sleeve springs ($850) and gain tire to spring clearance.
Front sway bar helps a ton with the front feeling a little floaty. Super easy install and costs $300.
All the above would make the car feel really good and fast. If you REALLY want to get more feel in the car, I would suggest SPL lower control arms front, SPL outer tie rods, SPL rear traction bars and SPL rear toe arms. Another advantage is that the SPL parts makes alignments super easy.
One thing to note is the car handles MUCH better the closer you keep it to stock ride height. Especially the rear.
That's not so bad. Then I get to play a lot of "before vs after" as I upgrade.
Wheel situation sounds very Evo-like lol. As far as square/spacers.
Of course I still love the Evo, but the Mustang taught me that I kinda miss the excitement of developing a car. My main problem with the Mustang was finding consumables. I assume it's easier with the Toyota.
That's not so bad. Then I get to play a lot of "before vs after" as I upgrade.
Wheel situation sounds very Evo-like lol. As far as square/spacers.
Not at all like the Evo. You can fit 18x11 and 315's under the stock body with no fender rolling or crazy aftermarket suspension clearance mods needed.
Originally Posted by kaj
My main problem with the Mustang was finding consumables. I assume it's easier with the Toyota.
Consumables like brake pads, rotors and tires?
Not a HUGE selection of brake pads yet but the ones out work well. Counterspace garage has the best ones out but they cost almost $1,000 a set of front/rear which is dumb. I use Project Mu club racers and they work fine and are half the price. The OEM brake rotors and calipers work just fine. I've been grabbing OEM rotors from crashed supras off Ebay for under $400 a set front/rear. I think Centric has rotors out but they aren't as good as OEM. OEM uses an interesting hybrid aluminum hat and iron ring but it's not floating. The hat is pressed into the ring.
Not at all like the Evo. You can fit 18x11 and 315's under the stock body with no fender rolling or crazy aftermarket suspension clearance mods needed.
Kinda. To run a square setup, I can add spacers to rotate or run staggered offsets. Like my Evo.
Consumables like brake pads, rotors and tires?
yep. Slim tire selection. Only one local place can resurface the rotors. Only one can change the tires. Decent pads had to be cut from pads from a different car, which created a shortage for BOTH cars.
OEM brake rotors were oddly cheap.
Oil filters were backordered indefinitely as were the housing assemblies people were buying to in order to get the filters out of.
The torque to yield bolts for the calipers, which had to be replaced every time you swapped brake pads, weren't too hard to find, but the stud kits to replace them and make life easier we're on indefinite backorder also. Only one company makes a good one.
I could go on, but you get the idea
Kinda. To run a square setup, I can add spacers to rotate or run staggered offsets. Like my Evo.
You must have an odd setup, I've never run non-square setup on any of my evos. It's even square stock.
Originally Posted by kaj
yep. Slim tire selection. Only one local place can resurface the rotors. Only one can change the tires. Decent pads had to be cut from pads from a different car, which created a shortage for BOTH cars.
OEM brake rotors were oddly cheap.
Oil filters were backordered indefinitely as were the housing assemblies people were buying to in order to get the filters out of.
The torque to yield bolts for the calipers, which had to be replaced every time you swapped brake pads, weren't too hard to find, but the stud kits to replace them and make life easier we're on indefinite backorder also. Only one company makes a good one.
I could go on, but you get the idea
Tire shortage is the same for all cars right now but yea, 19's and 18's are easier to find, with 18" sizes having the most selection.
I haven't found a need to resurface rotors in like twenty years.
Brake pad changes are like the Evo, super easy, no need to take the calipers off. Slides in/out in the front and the rear are single piston that swing out to change pads. Only special thing you need is the brake piston tool to rotate them back in the rear, or just use needle nose pliers.
I haven't had an issue getting oil filters. I purchase MAHN filters off amazon.
You must have an odd setup, I've never run non-square setup on any of my evos. It's even square stock.
Tire shortage is the same for all cars right now but yea, 19's and 18's are easier to find, with 18" sizes having the most selection.
I haven't found a need to resurface rotors in like twenty years.
Brake pad changes are like the Evo, super easy, no need to take the calipers off. Slides in/out in the front and the rear are single piston that swing out to change pads. Only special thing you need is the brake piston tool to rotate them back in the rear, or just use needle nose pliers.
I haven't had an issue getting oil filters. I purchase MAHN filters off amazon.
it was a long day at work. I do appreciate the comments! I needed something to lighten the day's mood.
On a serious note, Also, nice to know I won't be having to spend a week tracking down basic parts.
Not at all like the Evo. You can fit 18x11 and 315's under the stock body with no fender rolling or crazy aftermarket suspension clearance mods needed.
Why this is possible, it makes the turning radius worse than an Evo.... I swear I can barely make it through a drive-thru anymore.
As the title states, I got a Supra to replace the Evo. They kicked all awd cars to the super car class this year so ya, bad for me. I love the series I race in and didn't want to go anywhere else. So I got the Supra to put me back in my old class. I will miss the Evo, will regret selling it and always want another but it must go to fund the Supras build. So far I love my choice. more to come but thought you guys would like to hear about a completely different type of car than the Evo. No real good awd cars are being made so I figured I would venture back to rwd.
The new supra is just a BMW with a badge and body kit. It's such a far cry from its most recent predecessor. Maybe technically as a car it's good, perhaps even better than the Evo in some ways, but Toyota choosing to let the one of the most unreliable manufacturers out there supply the engine instead of making its own engine was a total cop-out. The Evo up to the IX is a pureblood for the most part. It has an awesome lineage and now being out-of-production it gains a mystique that you don't get with these new bloated pigs they're calling "sports cars". Before someone says that doesn't matter - it matters...or else we'd all be riding around in generic ****boxes that check off a window sticker feature list. Post-2010 cars all seem to have that soulless corporate clone feel...and now they have that "wet concrete" paint color to match.
The new supra is just a BMW with a badge and body kit. It's such a far cry from its most recent predecessor. Maybe technically as a car it's good, perhaps even better than the Evo in some ways, but Toyota choosing to let the one of the most unreliable manufacturers out there supply the engine instead of making its own engine was a total cop-out. The Evo up to the IX is a pureblood for the most part. It has an awesome lineage and now being out-of-production it gains a mystique that you don't get with these new bloated pigs they're calling "sports cars". Before someone says that doesn't matter - it matters...or else we'd all be riding around in generic ****boxes that check off a window sticker feature list. Post-2010 cars all seem to have that soulless corporate clone feel...and now they have that "wet concrete" paint color to match.
but you're gonna hate on it anyway because it doesn't pass your purity test. I'm sure you know this, but cars changed because of safety regulations, not because automakers hate fun.
