Tow Rigs, What do you have/use?
Mar 12, 2012, 11:31 AM
#76
A supercharged engine, much like your turbo-charged engine will be more efficient when under load than a NA engine. That's why I went with a TURBOCHARGED diesel and get the 17mpg while towing.
but if you don't want to listen to one of the most respected tuners that I am aware of, that is your choice.
but if you don't want to listen to one of the most respected tuners that I am aware of, that is your choice.
Mar 12, 2012, 12:03 PM
#77
i'm pulling about 5000lbs, power is not the issue. Adding a supercharger to a perfectly running truck for what? Bragging rights? i just don’t see the point behind it. if you do, then awesome!
I want a truck that gets the best mileage for the use I want. if you're behind me and have to pass me because I'm doing 60mph, I'm sorry for the wasted 30 seconds of your life.
There is a reason I see many people argue with Dave. The way he words stuff isn’t in the friendliest way...
I want a truck that gets the best mileage for the use I want. if you're behind me and have to pass me because I'm doing 60mph, I'm sorry for the wasted 30 seconds of your life.
There is a reason I see many people argue with Dave. The way he words stuff isn’t in the friendliest way...
If you really want MPG, get a turbodiesel. I have a lot of farmers that work for me, towing stuff is a daily thing for them. The Cummins-Dodge's are going to get noticably better mileage pulling than something like the Titan and pull an open trailer like a feather. Most of the Ford guys in the shop still hold onto their old 7.3 powerstrokes and are not fans of the newer Ford diesels.
Mar 12, 2012, 12:51 PM
#79
I get 20+ MPG towing the Evo with passengers, luggage and a steel open bed trailer. My toe rig is a Touareg (sounds like Toe-Rig) with a chipped v10 twin turbo diesel making for a great double duty vehicle. The engine,trans and brakes are awesome until you require maintenance.
Mar 12, 2012, 02:31 PM
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Unless you're towing for living, a couple of mpg (+/-) shouldn't make that much of a difference. On average, a 2 day track event costs $1000/$1500; $20 extra in gas isn't going kill me.
Mar 12, 2012, 02:51 PM
#81
i'm pulling about 5000lbs, power is not the issue. Adding a supercharger to a perfectly running truck for what? Bragging rights? i just don’t see the point behind it. if you do, then awesome!
I want a truck that gets the best mileage for the use I want. if you're behind me and have to pass me because I'm doing 60mph, I'm sorry for the wasted 30 seconds of your life.
There is a reason I see many people argue with Dave. The way he words stuff isn’t in the friendliest way...
I want a truck that gets the best mileage for the use I want. if you're behind me and have to pass me because I'm doing 60mph, I'm sorry for the wasted 30 seconds of your life.
There is a reason I see many people argue with Dave. The way he words stuff isn’t in the friendliest way...
Mar 12, 2012, 03:05 PM
#82
To everyone but the OP:
I must be doing something wrong with my fuel mileage. I've seen as low as 6 mpg with my 6.0L, Chevrolet 2500HD and that was pulling just a 28' enclosed trailer with an EVO in it. That truck/engine is terrible in my opinion. The time it spends at 5,000+rpm is simply sickening. I use to wait for a rod to come flying out of it. I HATED HATED HATED towing with that truck, it simply would NOT maintain 70 mph on any type of decent incline.
The DT466 in the Internation LP roll back I had ran OK but they limit that engine to like 72 mph, not enough for most interstates and should have run much better considering the truck/weight on the bed. This was around 10 mpg.
The F650 I had had the 3126 Cat motor in it, horrible sickening lack of power, wouldn't hold 70 mph on an incline with the same 28' trailer I pulled with the 6 liter. Terrible mileage, if I remember right, under 10 mpg.
Duramax in my Chevrolet 3500 with just an air filter and programmer on the lowest setting would pull anything. Incredible power. We pulled OVER 20,000 pounds with it all across the country, I never found a hill the truck wouldn't maintain speed on, the wind drag was huge too as the trailer was 13'6" tall. Engine blew up at 83,000 miles, hurray. It would run just about 9-10 mpg even pulling that HUGE load.
The Ford F250 diesel I just traded in, excellent when it came to pulling, stock it was good, with a chip in it, no cat/DPF and on tow mode it would barely drop a gear and would maintain speed on any hill I have found. I pulled a 36' 5th wheel trailer with that, living quarters in front and EVO or the Eclipse in the back, I'd guess 11,000 pounds or so. It is also a few feet taller than the truck, so wind drag comes into effect with that too. Pulling the 36' trailer I've seen as low as 7 mpg and never have seen over 11 mpg.
Towing a simple open trailer cuts the wind drag down drastically. It also means you have a trailer that probably isn't over 3500 pounds (and that would be a bit heavy typically) add an EVO on it and you are 6500 pounds about. I just found a company that offers a 27' all aluminum enclosed trailer that weighs 2600 pounds, that with my EVO is going to mean I only have to pull about 6,000 pounds max with this Toyota. I still HATE a truck that is constantly running high RPM and down shifting non-stop to pull a load, that is one big benefit of the diesel. Getting the load you are pulling out of the wind is one of the biggest things you can do for fuel mileage. The new aluminum trailer has a 52" V nose on it, so it's drastic and will cut the wind pretty good. I still don't expect to see 10 mpg towing with this Tundra, if it gets better than that I'll be shocked.
I must be doing something wrong with my fuel mileage. I've seen as low as 6 mpg with my 6.0L, Chevrolet 2500HD and that was pulling just a 28' enclosed trailer with an EVO in it. That truck/engine is terrible in my opinion. The time it spends at 5,000+rpm is simply sickening. I use to wait for a rod to come flying out of it. I HATED HATED HATED towing with that truck, it simply would NOT maintain 70 mph on any type of decent incline.
The DT466 in the Internation LP roll back I had ran OK but they limit that engine to like 72 mph, not enough for most interstates and should have run much better considering the truck/weight on the bed. This was around 10 mpg.
The F650 I had had the 3126 Cat motor in it, horrible sickening lack of power, wouldn't hold 70 mph on an incline with the same 28' trailer I pulled with the 6 liter. Terrible mileage, if I remember right, under 10 mpg.
Duramax in my Chevrolet 3500 with just an air filter and programmer on the lowest setting would pull anything. Incredible power. We pulled OVER 20,000 pounds with it all across the country, I never found a hill the truck wouldn't maintain speed on, the wind drag was huge too as the trailer was 13'6" tall. Engine blew up at 83,000 miles, hurray. It would run just about 9-10 mpg even pulling that HUGE load.
The Ford F250 diesel I just traded in, excellent when it came to pulling, stock it was good, with a chip in it, no cat/DPF and on tow mode it would barely drop a gear and would maintain speed on any hill I have found. I pulled a 36' 5th wheel trailer with that, living quarters in front and EVO or the Eclipse in the back, I'd guess 11,000 pounds or so. It is also a few feet taller than the truck, so wind drag comes into effect with that too. Pulling the 36' trailer I've seen as low as 7 mpg and never have seen over 11 mpg.
Towing a simple open trailer cuts the wind drag down drastically. It also means you have a trailer that probably isn't over 3500 pounds (and that would be a bit heavy typically) add an EVO on it and you are 6500 pounds about. I just found a company that offers a 27' all aluminum enclosed trailer that weighs 2600 pounds, that with my EVO is going to mean I only have to pull about 6,000 pounds max with this Toyota. I still HATE a truck that is constantly running high RPM and down shifting non-stop to pull a load, that is one big benefit of the diesel. Getting the load you are pulling out of the wind is one of the biggest things you can do for fuel mileage. The new aluminum trailer has a 52" V nose on it, so it's drastic and will cut the wind pretty good. I still don't expect to see 10 mpg towing with this Tundra, if it gets better than that I'll be shocked.
Mar 12, 2012, 03:49 PM
#85
super charged tundra as far as i know drops 2-3 mpg avarge for dd. for towing probably less then a N/A. either way you will loose some mpg. Of course whn you going without anybody a front of you.
Power is everything in towing, less harder on transmission and engine example hills etc.
basically you loose couple dollars / tank. It is well worth it , vs the n/a tundra.
also worth to mention the the much safer passing , and easyer life when you have more power in traffic. So you can get away from big rigs and idiots with they hybrid cars. I hate hybrid drivers, they think it is they task to save the world and trees, so they even try to safe more fuel with driving even slower.
If you want to save the trees, eat beavers.
Power is everything in towing, less harder on transmission and engine example hills etc.
basically you loose couple dollars / tank. It is well worth it , vs the n/a tundra.
also worth to mention the the much safer passing , and easyer life when you have more power in traffic. So you can get away from big rigs and idiots with they hybrid cars. I hate hybrid drivers, they think it is they task to save the world and trees, so they even try to safe more fuel with driving even slower.
If you want to save the trees, eat beavers.
Last edited by Robevo RS; Mar 12, 2012 at 03:54 PM.
Mar 12, 2012, 03:59 PM
#88
I would never put a stupidcharger on a perfectly running truck unless it really needed it. any new half ton truck can pull a car on a flatbed trailer without adding more power.
if you guys want to mod up your trucks, thats fine with me, But i'd prefer stock.
if you guys want to mod up your trucks, thats fine with me, But i'd prefer stock.
Mar 12, 2012, 04:01 PM
#89
To everyone but the OP:
I must be doing something wrong with my fuel mileage. I've seen as low as 6 mpg with my 6.0L, Chevrolet 2500HD and that was pulling just a 28' enclosed trailer with an EVO in it. That truck/engine is terrible in my opinion. The time it spends at 5,000+rpm is simply sickening. I use to wait for a rod to come flying out of it. I HATED HATED HATED towing with that truck, it simply would NOT maintain 70 mph on any type of decent incline.
The DT466 in the Internation LP roll back I had ran OK but they limit that engine to like 72 mph, not enough for most interstates and should have run much better considering the truck/weight on the bed. This was around 10 mpg.
The F650 I had had the 3126 Cat motor in it, horrible sickening lack of power, wouldn't hold 70 mph on an incline with the same 28' trailer I pulled with the 6 liter. Terrible mileage, if I remember right, under 10 mpg.
Duramax in my Chevrolet 3500 with just an air filter and programmer on the lowest setting would pull anything. Incredible power. We pulled OVER 20,000 pounds with it all across the country, I never found a hill the truck wouldn't maintain speed on, the wind drag was huge too as the trailer was 13'6" tall. Engine blew up at 83,000 miles, hurray. It would run just about 9-10 mpg even pulling that HUGE load.
The Ford F250 diesel I just traded in, excellent when it came to pulling, stock it was good, with a chip in it, no cat/DPF and on tow mode it would barely drop a gear and would maintain speed on any hill I have found. I pulled a 36' 5th wheel trailer with that, living quarters in front and EVO or the Eclipse in the back, I'd guess 11,000 pounds or so. It is also a few feet taller than the truck, so wind drag comes into effect with that too. Pulling the 36' trailer I've seen as low as 7 mpg and never have seen over 11 mpg.
Towing a simple open trailer cuts the wind drag down drastically. It also means you have a trailer that probably isn't over 3500 pounds (and that would be a bit heavy typically) add an EVO on it and you are 6500 pounds about. I just found a company that offers a 27' all aluminum enclosed trailer that weighs 2600 pounds, that with my EVO is going to mean I only have to pull about 6,000 pounds max with this Toyota. I still HATE a truck that is constantly running high RPM and down shifting non-stop to pull a load, that is one big benefit of the diesel. Getting the load you are pulling out of the wind is one of the biggest things you can do for fuel mileage. The new aluminum trailer has a 52" V nose on it, so it's drastic and will cut the wind pretty good. I still don't expect to see 10 mpg towing with this Tundra, if it gets better than that I'll be shocked.
I must be doing something wrong with my fuel mileage. I've seen as low as 6 mpg with my 6.0L, Chevrolet 2500HD and that was pulling just a 28' enclosed trailer with an EVO in it. That truck/engine is terrible in my opinion. The time it spends at 5,000+rpm is simply sickening. I use to wait for a rod to come flying out of it. I HATED HATED HATED towing with that truck, it simply would NOT maintain 70 mph on any type of decent incline.
The DT466 in the Internation LP roll back I had ran OK but they limit that engine to like 72 mph, not enough for most interstates and should have run much better considering the truck/weight on the bed. This was around 10 mpg.
The F650 I had had the 3126 Cat motor in it, horrible sickening lack of power, wouldn't hold 70 mph on an incline with the same 28' trailer I pulled with the 6 liter. Terrible mileage, if I remember right, under 10 mpg.
Duramax in my Chevrolet 3500 with just an air filter and programmer on the lowest setting would pull anything. Incredible power. We pulled OVER 20,000 pounds with it all across the country, I never found a hill the truck wouldn't maintain speed on, the wind drag was huge too as the trailer was 13'6" tall. Engine blew up at 83,000 miles, hurray. It would run just about 9-10 mpg even pulling that HUGE load.
The Ford F250 diesel I just traded in, excellent when it came to pulling, stock it was good, with a chip in it, no cat/DPF and on tow mode it would barely drop a gear and would maintain speed on any hill I have found. I pulled a 36' 5th wheel trailer with that, living quarters in front and EVO or the Eclipse in the back, I'd guess 11,000 pounds or so. It is also a few feet taller than the truck, so wind drag comes into effect with that too. Pulling the 36' trailer I've seen as low as 7 mpg and never have seen over 11 mpg.
Towing a simple open trailer cuts the wind drag down drastically. It also means you have a trailer that probably isn't over 3500 pounds (and that would be a bit heavy typically) add an EVO on it and you are 6500 pounds about. I just found a company that offers a 27' all aluminum enclosed trailer that weighs 2600 pounds, that with my EVO is going to mean I only have to pull about 6,000 pounds max with this Toyota. I still HATE a truck that is constantly running high RPM and down shifting non-stop to pull a load, that is one big benefit of the diesel. Getting the load you are pulling out of the wind is one of the biggest things you can do for fuel mileage. The new aluminum trailer has a 52" V nose on it, so it's drastic and will cut the wind pretty good. I still don't expect to see 10 mpg towing with this Tundra, if it gets better than that I'll be shocked.
there is literally no sweat. my buddy towed back us from tenesee. I woke up middle of the night and this idiot towing with 90+mph... god knows how long. Then i had to explain to him the speed and rotation vs the trailer tires... LOL
So what i am saying is the tundra wont sweat even in stock trim with low drag and 7000lb and below towing. We also had full equipments , tents (big one) tools tires - gas etc on the truck + 4 person... around 70mph where is flat or not tooo steep incline the trucks tows this around 2k rpm.
Mar 12, 2012, 04:05 PM
#90
Basically think this way
Base mercedes vs AMG supercharged.
Base Tundra vs TRD supercharged.
I hope that will help you to see clearer.
Last edited by Robevo RS; Mar 12, 2012 at 04:07 PM.