Kinugawa 25g turbo thread
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I couldn't agree more that this turbo "should" utilize the TD06HR turbine wheel but I am suspect it won't fit. Can someone measure the turbine housing and determine if there is enough material to cut out to acomodate the bigger wheel? If there is, I won't mind being the first one getting it done.
In the next couple months I will be getting the 11.5cm housing, having the housing and mani ported to see if I can open the obvious choke point a bit. I am also thinking about getting the turbine wheel clipped at least 5* too.
In the next couple months I will be getting the 11.5cm housing, having the housing and mani ported to see if I can open the obvious choke point a bit. I am also thinking about getting the turbine wheel clipped at least 5* too.
Theres more than enough meat (wall thickness) in the turbine housing too fit the td06hr wheel in the 9.8, 10.5, and 11.5 turbine housing. The td06hr wheel is the same as the fpblack/ef4 minus the clipping. Getting the turbine wheel clipped will belp with back pressure as the wick gets cranked up so thats not a bad idea. Do you know the link to purchase the td06hr wheel? You can google td06hr turbin wheel and the seller Green Source is the one who sells them. You maybe able too email and request a clipping, but im not too sure. But hes a great seller, fast shipping, and packaged the wheel lovely. Couldnt be happier with his services.
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AFAIK, that wheel in a td06 housing will need to be machined. IIRC it should flow about 925 CFM. My bigger wheel and my t67/t70 cartridge and housing should put me at 975-1000 CFM.
These custom 25g set-ups can easily yield 600+whp.
These custom 25g set-ups can easily yield 600+whp.
, these billet cw's are a great alternative and I agree, they mismatched this turbo completely with that baby turbine. Imo, td06hr turbine wheel, or gtfo! :readclose:
No, im not a salesman, but im only pointing ouf the obvious and eye ball comparos between wheels may not look like much of a test, if that I understand, but comparing the wheels amongst each other, i can already dignify and identify the r&d put into this billet cw and notice flaws in the other two vs this wheel. For one, the blade area is much greater on this wheel meaning it will move more and pressurize more air, the exducer contains a much taller extended tip, the hub and the area around it doent take up as much as area as the other two wheels which isnt helping for airflow at all and doesnt make it any better than its casted counterpart, and last but not least, the taller, straight edge, dual 5bladed wheel has been proven time and time too flow more up top than its revisioned dual 7bladed wheel and the popular 11blade cw. Again, not a master in turbo charfers, but pointing out the obvious. Not knocking map or fp for that matter as fp os the bizzness hands down! But this cw is and sbould be the next big thing for the big boy stock frame turbochargers.
No, im not a salesman, but im only pointing ouf the obvious and eye ball comparos between wheels may not look like much of a test, if that I understand, but comparing the wheels amongst each other, i can already dignify and identify the r&d put into this billet cw and notice flaws in the other two vs this wheel. For one, the blade area is much greater on this wheel meaning it will move more and pressurize more air, the exducer contains a much taller extended tip, the hub and the area around it doent take up as much as area as the other two wheels which isnt helping for airflow at all and doesnt make it any better than its casted counterpart, and last but not least, the taller, straight edge, dual 5bladed wheel has been proven time and time too flow more up top than its revisioned dual 7bladed wheel and the popular 11blade cw. Again, not a master in turbo charfers, but pointing out the obvious. Not knocking map or fp for that matter as fp os the bizzness hands down! But this cw is and sbould be the next big thing for the big boy stock frame turbochargers.
, dont be so biased and fhere will come someone soon that is going too make some awesome power using the 25g. You wait and see. Untll then, ill restrain myself from anything less than friendly but competive convo in all the same time from here on out till we get someone who will push this cw too its limits. But, dont be shocked when I say I tokd you so. Didnt mean it will kick the other runners uo for biggest stockframe upgrade, I know igs going too be pretty much near identical in air flow as the other two, but belive it or not, this wheel should flow more. But, were just going too have too wait and see.
I couldn't agree more that this turbo "should" utilize the TD06HR turbine wheel but I am suspect it won't fit. Can someone measure the turbine housing and determine if there is enough material to cut out to acomodate the bigger wheel? If there is, I won't mind being the first one getting it done.
In the next couple months I will be getting the 11.5cm housing, having the housing and mani ported to see if I can open the obvious choke point a bit. I am also thinking about getting the turbine wheel clipped at least 5* too.
In the next couple months I will be getting the 11.5cm housing, having the housing and mani ported to see if I can open the obvious choke point a bit. I am also thinking about getting the turbine wheel clipped at least 5* too.
Last edited by mean4g63; Apr 1, 2013 at 04:33 AM.
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Well, first off, the fpblack record is held by blackcarbon and his setjp is out of the ordinary. He conv erted his twin scroll turbine housing into a single scroll turbine housing by removing the divider inside the turbine housing. So, finding someone who is willing too do the same is going too be hard too too.
Secondly, doesnt like anybody but me is coupling this billet compressor wheel with the td06hr turbine wheel so the results evrryone is getting with a smaller turbine wheel is right around where it should be. Add the larger wheel, then clip it, then remove the divider inside the housing, and slap this on a 2.4ltr and I bet you anything this turbo will surprise you...wait, did I just say if we can get someone whos built with a 2.4ltr, whos using a different turbine housing, and has this cw tied up with a clipped td06hr wheel too get us some results??? Hmm, i have a built 2.4ltr, my turbine housing is different, my turbocharger is equipped with a td06hr wheel and I can have it clipped....I think I should be able too compare my results too his as our setups are similar minus me being in a neon and him being in a evo. I have the vd software, Barn Hills had added the SRT4 to the list of vehicles the VD software works for....if its ok, maybe I can compare my numbers as I will be running 35+psi with this turbo and like stated, am positive this turbo can get me where I want her....unless somebody wants too buy my turbo and or be a Guinea Pig, maybe we can work something out and get this turbo up on a dyno and see where she takes us. Again thou, the tester would have too have a build comparable to blackcarbon....
mean4g63, by me saying they've be come a leader in todays turbochargers, I didnt mean that they are runn in ng **** liks precision, just went they've become more and more popular and have become a top dog in oem replacements and oem rebuilds. They have come a lonv way, and im glad that us over here in the state's are finally accepting them and there products. They are widely underestimated and deserve more attention.
Also, another thing...care too guess who kamaks main customers are and whos using there cnc 5axis services the most? Thats right...none other than MAPerformance themselves. Map actually was having Kamak do there billet wheel conversion for there ef series of turbos. I know this as I worked on the docks and used too take care of there shipme ts and send them off too a variety of different vemdors. You wouldnt believe me if I told you now would you? Youd think I was full of it...
But, its all good. In time, we will both be on the same page :thumbsup: and this turbo will be widely appreciated by the enthusiasts all over for taking the time too experiment with this turbocharger and its different variations and on different settings.
Secondly, doesnt like anybody but me is coupling this billet compressor wheel with the td06hr turbine wheel so the results evrryone is getting with a smaller turbine wheel is right around where it should be. Add the larger wheel, then clip it, then remove the divider inside the housing, and slap this on a 2.4ltr and I bet you anything this turbo will surprise you...wait, did I just say if we can get someone whos built with a 2.4ltr, whos using a different turbine housing, and has this cw tied up with a clipped td06hr wheel too get us some results??? Hmm, i have a built 2.4ltr, my turbine housing is different, my turbocharger is equipped with a td06hr wheel and I can have it clipped....I think I should be able too compare my results too his as our setups are similar minus me being in a neon and him being in a evo. I have the vd software, Barn Hills had added the SRT4 to the list of vehicles the VD software works for....if its ok, maybe I can compare my numbers as I will be running 35+psi with this turbo and like stated, am positive this turbo can get me where I want her....unless somebody wants too buy my turbo and or be a Guinea Pig, maybe we can work something out and get this turbo up on a dyno and see where she takes us. Again thou, the tester would have too have a build comparable to blackcarbon....
mean4g63, by me saying they've be come a leader in todays turbochargers, I didnt mean that they are runn in ng **** liks precision, just went they've become more and more popular and have become a top dog in oem replacements and oem rebuilds. They have come a lonv way, and im glad that us over here in the state's are finally accepting them and there products. They are widely underestimated and deserve more attention.
Also, another thing...care too guess who kamaks main customers are and whos using there cnc 5axis services the most? Thats right...none other than MAPerformance themselves. Map actually was having Kamak do there billet wheel conversion for there ef series of turbos. I know this as I worked on the docks and used too take care of there shipme ts and send them off too a variety of different vemdors. You wouldnt believe me if I told you now would you? Youd think I was full of it...
But, its all good. In time, we will both be on the same page :thumbsup: and this turbo will be widely appreciated by the enthusiasts all over for taking the time too experiment with this turbocharger and its different variations and on different settings.
Well, first off, the fpblack record is held by blackcarbon and his setjp is out of the ordinary. He conv erted his twin scroll turbine housing into a single scroll turbine housing by removing the divider inside the turbine housing. So, finding someone who is willing too do the same is going too be hard too too.
, the larger wheel, then clip it, then remove the divider inside the housing, and slap this on a 2.4ltr and I bet you anything this turbo will surprise you...wait, did I just say if we can get someone whos built with a 2.4ltr, whos using a different turbine housing, and has this cw tied up with a clipped td06hr wheel too get us some results??? Hmm, i have a built 2.4ltr, my turbine housing is different, my turbocharger is equipped with a td06hr wheel and I can have it clipped....I think I should be able too compare my results too his as our setups are similar minus me being in a neon and him being in a evo.
, have the vd software, Barn Hills had added the SRT4 to the list of vehicles the VD software works for....if its ok, maybe I can compare my numbers as I will be running 35+psi with this turbo and like stated, am positive this turbo can get me where I want her....unless somebody wants too buy my turbo and or be a Guinea Pig, maybe we can work something out and get this turbo up on a dyno and see where she takes us. Again thou, the tester would have too have a build comparable to blackcarbon....
, by me saying they've be come a leader in todays turbochargers, I didnt mean that they are runn in ng **** liks precision, just went they've become more and more popular and have become a top dog in oem replacements and oem rebuilds. They have come a lonv way, and im glad that us over here in the state's are finally accepting them and there products. They are widely underestimated and deserve more attention.
Their failure rate is still a bit high though.,, another thing...care too guess who kamaks main customers are and whos using there cnc 5axis services the most? Thats right...none other than MAPerformance themselves. Map actually was having Kamak do there billet wheel conversion for there ef series of turbos. I know this as I worked on the docks and used too take care of there shipme ts and send them off too a variety of different vemdors. You wouldnt believe me if I told you now would you? Youd think I was full of it...
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Originally Posted by mean4g63
No one is getting it with the TD06H wheel because they don't have it. for the 10.5/11.5 housings.
TD06HR?
It should be a fun set up, it should still spool very good and make decent top end, most of the 20Gs i've tuned are in the 420-450hp on pump depending on mods of course.
Just got mine and thanks to VIIIdriver/dtm tuning I have my base map all I need now is a set of injectors and we are g2g!!!!! I'm excited!!! Similar setup too his 2.4lr
Incorrect. I just spoke to a turbo builder/machinist and the 9.8 does not have enough material to fit the td06h wheel. The largest a 9.8 will hold is the 61mm TD06sl2.
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theres enough on the 9.8. There just isnt a lot of room for error as this housing is a lil smaller. But, there is enough, belive me. got a guy here locally on a fpred and is using a 9.8 turbine housing and is on stock motor/head w/cams on e85.
btw....http://www.turbolabofamerica.com/ These guys offer a billet 25g with whatever turbine side you want... 6sl2, 12-blade td06h, or the 11-blade tdo6h4. They can also offer upgraded thrust bearings as well. Might be a good option for those that want to push that 25g.