the guys on a newer fpred w/the td06hr wheel...

TurboLab is the shiznitz! They dont try too break the bank like a lot of other vendors out there. TurboLab offers the same upgrades as fp, but isnt out trying too get 2k for a measly revisioned mhi turbo

the same thrust bearing upgrade is the same as kamak/kinugawa offers. nothing wrong with it, but like I told you previously...others seem too be buying kamaks cw/tw, rebuikd kits, compressor covers, etc, and use them with their.kits and sell them. Again, nothings wrong with that as a turbo is a turbo. TurboLabs not out trying too claim too be the manufacturer. there just a turbo company doing the right thing, and offering great customer service and performance needs for guys like us

the guys @ TurboLab know thrre ****, and for any MHI fanboys like myself :hi: out there looking too upgrade their stock turbo..i definitely recommend TurboLab! Number one resource for your turbochargers needs.

 

interesting on the FP Red.

well I do agree they are a very cost efficient quality upgrades. However they certainly don't offer the same upgrades as a company such as FP. FP uses their own aero in the 65mm TD06 in the HTA Green, and in the td06h on the red and black. Their stuff is far from the ones that are flooding the market. So the question you have to ask yourself is...is it worth the prices? Well that depends on the person and how much they are willing to spend. Ohh and I mis-spoke before. The FP Black record is 815WHP now.

Well the dsm guys certainly like them. Personally being that my car is a stock block, on my stock turbo running 390 whp on pump gas and I am concerned about making a a window in my block if I upgrade something like an ef3, HTA Red etc (because knowing me I will push it to 30 pounds)... So I don't really want to go too crazy on power and torque (i am also controlling torque via grimmspeed 3-port), so I think 420-430 should be fine for me and the turbolabs 20g-sl2 should be just fine for that for now. Certainly seems the more cost efficient turbo for what I want at the moment. If I build the block someday then I might think EF or HTA turbo.

 

funny you mentiin those resukts.But, heres the catch....that turbo was not a fpblack <<<<<------ :readclose:

its a fpzero lmao!

but, im curious too know what sourced cw/tw is being used as well as what turbine housing. But, by looking at the one oicture in the thread of its release, the co and comp cover look deceiving. Would love too hear what exactly was used and replaced.


about your future setup. Id personally recommend there 56mm 60trim billet cw and the td06hr seeing as you want an ef3/fpred hta, thats pretty much what these two turbos are...but, my questiin for you is why do this sorta upgrade twice when you can do it now, and save you money, down time, etc...build the turbo you want now, then it saves you your hard earned mo.ey so your not spending it twice on a turbo.

the 20g/td06sl2r is a good setup, but its no fpred/ef3. I mean, gea, it flows pleanty for what gou want, but you mentioning you want an those said turbos, this may not be enough for you...as you do plan too build and push your turbo/engine with pressures exceeding greater than 3bar...idk, think about it man..I just hate spending my hard earned money twice if I dont need too. been there done that and it sucks. turbos, injectors, cams, etc..but, I guess thats part of having the :cough-cough: :-) mod bug

 

Ohh I got ya. Ya I checked it out. I guess your right. I glimpsed at it the first time and just assumed it was a black.

I am with ya here. Intersted in this hybrid.


well the thought process was if I was going to spend 1700 dollars+ on a turbo it was going to be on an ef3 or HTA Red etc. Didn't really see the mount of spending that type of money on a turbo unless they are capable of 60+ lb/min and make significant power. However the issue is I am stock block and I think a turbo of that size would be wasted on it. So I would be dealing with a laggy 430 ish WHP turbo because I am dealing with a limited stock block 2L. My rods on my Evo 7 engine are allegedly weaker than the evo 8/9 ones...if you can believe that.

Yes I know. the 6sl2-20g extended tip combo (KTS 7/7 wheel) is probably only good for the 50 lb/min range. It's a long shot off an FP Red and EF3, I understand. So I figured a 500 dollar upgrade at this point to tide me over until stroker ef3, hta red etc. The sl2 wheel is a much better match for the 20g wheel than it is the 25g IMO.

ya I got it. My last car was an Evo 3 with the borg warner S200sx (BEP S259) 80-70 running 30 pounds with meth on pump, FP2 cams on a built 2L. Just don't want to have a laggy set up like that again. Sure it was fast above 5K(at least for a street car).... but that's it, wasn't that much fun to drive on the street. Not to mention I kept breaking my drivetrain every other week lol.

I would love to do the 20g-6h or even the 30R-6h however the 6h gives up way too much lag for my sake on a 2L. After all the 6h wheel can support 60+ lb/min. Sure the 6sl2 wheel will be a little restrictive, however it spools similarly to a tdo5hr and gives me the response I want at this point. A 30r-06h or 20g-06h in a 9.8cm housing actually sounds tempting. However I would need some dyno's and boost plots to really see how responsive the car is. Kinda of an un-tried setup. Would be interested to see some of these setups.


btw...it was Turbo labs that said that a 67mm td06h in a 9.8T wasn't possible.

 

Ok, heres what I have planned. I'm going to get the 11.5cm td05 housing from Kinugawa and the td06hr wheel from Greenhouse. Send the new parts and my turbo (billet 25g) to G-pop shop and have the the housing ported and cut to fit the larger wheel. My only question is, should I have the 06h wheel clipped or leave it alone?

 

thats bologna. If I remember correctly, I believe Robert of FP was the first too experiment with a 9.0 turbine housing off an evo4 on his old school fpred back in the days. I believe he was the first too prove that the td06hr wheel was capable of being a dog of a turbo in a smaller housing



the 11.5 is a great idea and coupled together with a td06hr 67mm wheel sounds like its going to be a highway beast of a stockframe setup. Imo, a clip isnt a bad idea. definitely will help squeeze a couple more lbs/min at the sacrifice of a few hundred rpms and with the 25g billet cw (roughly a 75 lb/min compressor wheel) itll definetely help that turbine support what this compressor wheel can throw down

 

Well that's what they told me. I guess turbo labs aren't the "shiznit" as you say. Well if it's correct as you say, then I will be running a td06h 12-blade in a 9.8 in the future hopefully.

 

Just wanted to share some results of some things i'm trying out, this was a bit of my tuning session tonight and last week, my car had put down 510-517 before at 30 psi, however it was a very peaky curve with power falling off at the top end, at the time it had GSC S2 cams and PTE 1200 injectors with the stock 25G cast wheel, now i just installed GSC S3 cams, FIC 2150cc injectors ,the 25G billet wheel and a Grimmspeed 3port solenoid, the tune right now is pretty conservative and timing still has some ways to go, also a bit rich on the top end to keep things cool so definitely there's more power there once i finish tuning it, by the looks of it i can get away with 32 psi on pump with a decent safety margin, right now it's at 29 psi on pump, the two graphs are two weeks apart, only difference being the billet wheel and 3port, i did notice a considerably drop in spool, about 900rpm just from switching cams, however the power keeps on going on the top end, i do miss the brutish power delivery (torque due to quicker spool) of the S2s, i think i'll be trying out the new R2s soon, they should help my 2.4LR get that torque back and not die out on the top end, the tune is on Tephra V7 and SD.

 

Nice numbers I have to get going on my install. Jon Drenas is coming to Canada and I think i may head to him for a tune after install... Would you guys recommend him or is he more of just a cobb tuner?

 

Beastly setup on pump.

 

I guess since this is a 25g thread I'll post my pics.

Crap maybe I should add what I have on right now too LOL.

My current mod list is a (blown) 6758 EFR, TTR intake manifold, Badmab 3" catless downpipe stock resonator no muffler straight piped, KN Short ram intake, CX racing intercooler, Ky stage 3 clutch, ZZP front and rear transmission mounts, CM springs. Nitto Nt05 245/40/18 up front.

The parts I am adding/changing are the new custom 25g turbo, OTTP Cold and Hot charge pipes with HKS SSQV 3. ZZP Lower charge pipes and MAF relocate kit.

 

Will do I will be tuning on pump then hopefully switching to e85 when Slc gets it this summer. I should have it all done this weekend.

 

damn. badazz for pump gas

and just by switching wheels and cams, you picked up an additional 30whp! Proven rivht there that the billet wheel is far more superior than its casted counterpart.

next time you pull your turbo, swap out that baby turbine wheel with the td06hr 67mm wheel and expect the gains too be even more exciting. There will be an additional 300-500rpm or so of lag depending on the clip and exhaust cam.settings, but let the beast scream and give her some more room too breathe...

again, nice numbers for pump gas. shes definitely got more in her and youve definitely proved that this thing is capable of some big numbers. keep up the good work

 

Get some!


nice setup


needs more.billet.though

 

Thanks so much my friend, i'm pretty sure i can get close to 520-530 on pump gas pushing it a bit since i still haven't even played with cam settings and the runs were only reved up to 7,300k, my 2.4LR will rev to 8,500k safely and this turbo doesn't die out on the top end, once i lean it out a bit and play with timing it should be right there! how hard would it be to replace the turbine wheel with a bigger one? my local turbo shop can do all types of mods on turbos so that sounds interesting to me, can't wait to try race gas