Lets keep this civilized here, people. No one needs to be owning anything or whatever. If you want to discuss, go ahead. If you want to start a riot, please leave.

 

Fireball fought fire with fire.

 

There are some factual errors in the MT post on NASIOC.

They state the Evo has shorter gearing (not true).
The STi seats are more bolstered (not true).

If they can't get the obvious things like that right...

If that article is real, then there will be a lot of sad Evo owners when they line up next to an STi. The R&T, C&D, Autoweek and soon the Automobile and SCC articles will show that the STi is quicker in a straight line and the Evo has the edge at the handling limit. This is what we've been hearing, and the rumors seems to be true.

TRS

 

You did read the C&D article too, right? It showed the Evo as being slightly slower than the Sti....but all else from the Motortrend article was equal.

And the comment regarding the seat bolstering was a weak one. It's an opinion. The writer thought that one seat felt more bolstered than the other.

SC~

 

I guess this article on 1/4mi confirms that california gas or lower octane effect the evo drastically. I wonder if i could pull a 13.0 boosting my octane to 98

 

With the reports of the press STi's pinging and the SCC EVO dynoing more than production EVOs, only one thing is certain when looking at the MotorTrend article: Mitsubishi builds a better ringer than Subaru.

 

Well more than slightly, I actually think the MotorTrend quote sounds like a transposition of facts. I mean, the STI's are NOT more bolstered than the Evo. And the Evo 5 speed has less aggressive gearing than the STI. This isn't subjective. It's simply wrong. Can anyone scan it?

 

I got the June 2003 C&D yesterday. Overall I think it is a good article and very much in agreement with the rumors we've been hearing about the two cars. As far as C&D getting the Evo as "slightly slower" than the STi, that I disagree with.

According to their tests:
The Evo is 4 _seconds_ behind by 130 mph.
It is almost half a second behind from 0-60.
From a roll it is almost 1 second behind by 60.

Their mid-13 1/4 and 5 sec to 60 seem very much in line with the majority of reports here, and in other magazines. It is safe to say this is not an outlier.

With Rod Millen (long-time Evo driver) driving, there was only .16 seconds between them on a short, twisty road course--obviously the Evo's strongest domain. On a track with longer/more straights, the results could have easily been reversed.

What that does tell you is that Mitsu has the suspension tuned to perfection as far as track driving goes. There is no denying that. But C&D's comments on the power delivery of the Evo basically mirror that of many of the owners on this forum, and that they liked the ride of the STi better, as well as the STi performing better in the emergency lane change are interesting points.

TRS

 

Lets not overgeneralize TRS94. I'll stop.

Here are the numbers from C&D as cut and pasted from the naisoc forum.


For the most part, the numerical difference seem negligible to me. They are well within the realm of testing error.

The 4 sec difference to 130 is 100% due to the Sti's 6th gear.

Performance Data:

Statistic STi ////// EVO

0-60 4.6 5.0

0-100 12.4 13.5

0-130 24.5 28.5

1/4 mile 13.2@103 13.6@101

5-60 streetstart 5.8 6.7

top gear 30-50 10.9 11.7

top gear 50-70 8.1 8.5

top speed 145 gov. 156 redline

braking 70-0 166' 157'

1.1 mi. course lap time/mph 1:04.34/ 61.5 1:04.18/61.7

0.9 mi. off road lap time/mph 48.89/66.3 48.62/66.6

roadholding 300' pad, g 0.90 0.90

emergency land change maneuver mph 72.5 71.5

 

Couldn't have said it better myself (except for the gear comment, the final ratio for the STi in 6th and the Evo in 5th isn't that dramatic). Folks will have to make their own judgement on what is "negligible" and what isn't.

TRS

 

You are absolutely correct. I know C&D and MotorTrend certainly decided! j/k

SC~

 

It's funny how the STi is faster in the straight line, yet C&D still chose the Evo as the better of the two. I wonder why? Oh yeah, that's right... these cars aren't 1/4 mile machines.

If you're buying an STi to drag race, the only thing you're gonna do is break your DCCD.

 

I think it's more like driver skill that effects 1/4 mile times.....since we have seen more than just a few 13.xx 1/4's coming from the West coast....

Though the gas obviously plays a large role.

SC~

 

just reviewed my commute ........nope no road courses
pk!

 

my entire neighborhood is a road course...my goodness...i was driving around a week or 2 ago and noticed that it looked alot like the tarmac rallys u see in WRC...be cause of the raods around my house handling means more to me that HP and i intend to autox so handling will mean alot there too...either car u get u will have a beast