Mitsubishi Motors and Mitsubishi Trucks are two different companies. What you are refering to is the Mitsubishi Fuso scandal (Trucks division). They really are two different companies, they don't even share any plants, they have the same logo and thats about it. Mitsubishi Group is one of the largest corporations in the world, they control the largest bank in the world, they make fighter airplanes, they make tuna cans, they are into steel industry, they are pretty much into everything, and they share the same name but they really are different companies with different manufacturing plants and different CEOs but in most peoples minds Mitsubishi is Mitsubishi (whole in one).

 

^^^That may be true but they were all one company at one time. Fuso is probably more closely related to Mitsubishi Motors and Mitsubishi Heavy now, then some of the other branches like Nikon cameras or Kirin Brewery.

At any rate the recall coverup did indedd involve some Mitsubishi vehicles, as in Mitsubishi Motors Corp, not just Fuso - however none of those vehicles were exported to the U.S. in siginificant numbers. The recall scandal hurt business in Japan. It was the screwups of Mitsubishi Motors Credit of America that messed them up in the U.S. That is all way behind them now and they are on the road to recovery.

 

Mitsubishi was one company in 19th century (started in 1870 to be precise). In 1893 Mitsubishi Corporation was founded. At the beginning they were a shipping firm but then they soon started to diversify and pretty much under one name a couple of independent companies were formed and one of them is Mitsubishi Motors (founded in 1970 although Mitsubishi has been making passenger cars since 1960s) and another one is Mitsubishi Fuso Truck and Bus Corporation (founded in 1932).

The recall coverup scandal pretty much for most part concerned Mitsubishi Fuso trucks, what got them in trouble in US was their bright 0 0 0 financing plan in early 2000s but their overall passenger car quality has been above average for most part.

 

See thats just not true either. Many car companies namely MB, BMW, and a others have primary north american plants based out of mexico. Last time i checked, i loved evos but they just dont have that engineering panache that the germans have, yet they are built in MEHICO

 

They were broken up because the U.S. government forced them too after WWII. It was one of the concessions of Japan losing that big zaibatsus like them be shattered. Now the current family of companies is called a keiretsu.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keiretsu

Actually they made their first car in 1917.
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/cor...orts/e/60.html

No, it just as equally concerned the cars.

That's like, exactly what I was reffering to when I mentioned MMCA.

I'd say its been excellent for the most part.

 

Which doesn't change the fact that Mitsubishi Motors and Mitsubishi Fuso Trucks are really two different companies under dfferent management and with different factories.



But then they had a break of about 50 years before the modern MMC was starting to form.



Mitsubishi Fuso coverup recall caused actual life loss, passenger car coverups were mostly minor and not as well publicized as the Fuso scandal where idling engines were starting fires.



Well in my experience with Mitsubishi indeed it has been excellent, never had any major problems with any of them and that starts with my uncles Mitsubishi Mighty Max purchased in the 1980s, through couple of versions of Galants, Lancers, and Montero (which is probably the most underrated SUV in the US, when it comes to off-road capability not a whole lot of todays SUVs can match it, it's like an off-road version of EVO, of course not as fast but off-road dominating)

 

And take a closer look at the actual reliability ratings of BMW, VW, Mercedes and you will see that the Japanese are way ahead of them. Germans are not what they used to be.

 

So what? Why would anyone expect the same factory to produce this as well as a Lancer under the same roof?


So they had different managers, they still shared parts, suppliers and probably engineers too. The cars and the trucks use components from Mitsubishi Electric, and turbos, motors, etc from Mitsubishi Heavy and glass from Asahi glass. That's the whole point of their diversification, they share resources.

No they didn't. There were just no major milestones for them to brag about. During that time they were probably like the Chinese are now, just making knockoffs of other people's work. They did not stop making cars in the mean time, come on man - get a clue. It was just in 1960 when they came out with their own unique design like the history site says, the 500.

I realize the Fuso scandal caused a death, that's why it got the most press, but the truck had a Mitsu emblem on it, it brought the entire company's image down. Coverups were found at MMC too. Do you think if a Ford school bus blew up and killed 30 kindergarteners that people would just say, "Oh, its okay - that was just Ford's heavy truck division, my Fusion is fine." I think not.

 

Take off the blinders dude. ALL automakers have recalls, including on Japanese built vehicles.

Toyota just recalled 1 Million cars, most of them Japanese-built less than 1 month ago!
http://today.reuters.com/business/newsArti...toryID=nT174775

Just two weeks ago, Honda recalled nearly 1/2 Million Japan-built minivans.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/recal...a_odyssey.html

Those two examples alone represent well over 1 million Japan-built vehicles recalled IN JUST THE PAST MONTH! Dig further back and you will find many millions more recalled over the years. No automaker is imune. And country of assembly has nothing to do with flawed design and engineering.

 

They share resources but not the parts, come on man, Mitsubishi Fuso is a big delivery truck, the only thing it can really share with other Mitsu cars is maybe the gas cap, power windows, and maybe the HVAC controls. Everything else is a different design and although it may come from the same supplier, each individual part had to be engineered to solely fit Fuso. But the biggest problem with Fuso was it's engine (electrical system) and that engine wasn't found in any other Mitsubishi cars.




Tell me when modern MMC was actually established? Early 1970s? Mitsubishi Corporation and MMC in business world are two different entities. All the Mitsubishi companies have their individual stock so that makes them individual/independent companies with their individual group of shareholders who control most of the action. I couold care less when Mitsubishi Corp. produced it's first car, the point I was trying to make was to show when MMC and Mitsu Truck were established and that they really were different entities.



Actually the Ford group shares the same platform/parts/engines all over the board so you kind of gave a bad example. Mitsubishi Truck has it's own unique designs (unique as in not sharing platforms/engines with any other Mitsugichi Motors made cars) and as I mentioned above, the only thing they may share are few plastic parts but not too many mechanical parts.

Mitsubishi Corp. is a more diversified group than Ford (which is mainly focused on cars). "I won't buy Mitsubishi tuna cans because their trucks caught fire" Kind of off-topic, isn't it? It's hard to comapre this Mitsubishi situation as there really isn't a whole lot of corporations in the world as diversified as Mitsubishi but yet when people see the three diamond logo they all think it all comes from the same one factory designed by the exact same people but when in fact it doesn't. Fortunately it is all behind them and they are on their way to recovery.

 

Many Fuso trucks and Mitsubishi forklifts used 4GXX engines. But that is beside the point. I know they came from different factories. People who buy cars and associate brands with quality don't see it that way.

So what. The point is Mitsubishi Heavy spun them off in 1970. And the point is MHI was making cars all that time. Your logic escapes me. The bottom line is Mitsubishi has been building cars since 1917, all that other legal corporation jazz is irrelavent.

No I didn't. The point is people see the blue emblem, they know its Ford. If something were to go wrong with a heavy Ford truck causing a tragic death, it would bring shame to the whole company, shared parts or not. I could care less if neither Mitsu car or Fuso truck shared any part, the only part they have to have in common is that three diamonds logo to garner brand perception. Maybe that's part of the reason we have Nikon cameras instead of Mitsubishi cameras.

Now you are being silly. I specifically kept things focused to the recall scandal that hurt both Fuso and MMC, as in motor vehicles. The Japanese are very conscious of that fact and it did tarnish both companies' images, just like it would here if something like that happened to Ford. It is very possible that some of the other Mitsu companies saw a drop in business during the scandal, I have no idea, but it would not suprise me if it did.

 

I'm glad I got the IX. If that pix is any indication the IX is the last great looking Evo for a while.

 

I think the big question is: Is the New Neon/caliber going to have the same price and performance as the new EVO X? (the Picture above) If it will be the same performance but cheaper I think I will go with the Dodge and buy the EVO body kit. Just a thought!

 

OMG. The car above does not exist. It is a pchop. And no, the a FWD Caliber will not perform the same as a future Evo.

This thread is hopeless. It repeats itself every 50 pages. I think it should be locked and no one ever allowed to talk about it again. Ever.

 

I dident mean to offend anyone. I just did not feel like reading 250+ pages of usless posts. Ok so the picture was photoshoped, big deal!