The Topic/Question has been asked a thousand time...if some people would simply search...the answer would be infront of them. On rare occasions...if an answer is not found, it simply means no one knows at the moment.


But back to the topic at hand...once an OFFICIAL Release Date is set....it will be posted everywhere.

Oh about my Previous post....do you disagree? Two words "Mistubishi Warranty"

 

two words - very funny

 

time between shifts reduced, yes. but you're still blowing off boost, and it doesn't take very long for the pressure of in the manifold to drop, so even though you're blowing off for a shorter period, you'll lose boost. since the rate of air escaping the high pressure intake is ~proportional to the pressure difference between the inside and atmosphere, the first few milliseconds are where you lose the most so by the time the next gear is engaged, the boost level - while less in a manual - won't be significantly less.

don't get me wrong, as I've been saying, DSG is really quite awesome. It just doesn't somehow magically solve problems with lag. If a car's laggy with a normal manual, chances are high that it will still be so with DSG.

 

Damn.. Cars drive differently, no matter what transmission they have.. Learn to drive the car.. You think you're gonna jump into any ride and suddenly start winning races, no matter what they are? NO... So ease up a little bit and chill till you finally drive a car and learn it first, before making quick judgements to destroy it...

 

The whole argument is pretty moot. Who cares about such fine points of theory anyway? Personally, I like the DSG transmission of the Audi and if Mitsubishi comes out with something that good, i'll be thrilled. I'd say 90% or more of potential EVO X owners wont be able to used the 10 tenths of any version. Most people will be happy with whatever performance they can get out of their car anyway.

Personally, I like the dual clutch DSG tranny because it can shift faster and more reliably than I can. For instance, there is no way to miss a shift in a 1/4 mile race and no chance to over-rev the motor. While downshifting, there is no way to miss a gear because it's sequential. Frankly, for me it would be a brilliant choice. I've been driving straight shift cars for over 45 years. I've also driven lots of conventional A/Ts and there is no comparison between those slush boxes and the new clutchless trannies. I say if you don't want a new clutchless tranny, go ahead and get the 6 speed conventional. I guarantee you that I'll be happy with the DSG type and if we race in the 1/4 mile, I can probably beat most folks driving manual trannies and risk less damage to the car

 

many magazines say that it will come with auto/manual. is it true?

 

There are about 100 threads on it. There will be an automated manual or a regular manual. It will have paddle shifters and be similar to the VW DSG.

 

Alright, you really don't get this. In a DSG you aren't closing the throttle so the throttle body doesn't flow, so all of your nice pressurized air is still in the IC piping and manifold. The engine is not going to suck in enough air in 8ms to use up all that air.

You also do not have to reduce the flow going through the turbo to slow down the engine. Have you seen a rally car? Many of us use no lift to shift and cut the ignition to shift (almost all race cars do this). The engine still compresses the gasses inside (slowing the engine) but doesn't explode the gasses until late, this still gives the volume of exhaust to spool the turbo, but does not produce much power. It basically works like a stutterbox, you can build boost sitting on the line with no load on the engine and the RPM being limited.

 

Damn beatened beyond death...

why don't you grave dig(search) before you ask

 

So, if your revs are coming down, does the air flowing into the engine not reduce? Surely when an engine at, say 6k rpm sucks in less air than at 7k? So, assuming the air flow is reduced, the pressuer in the intake will build up and surely this needs to be released if it gets to an excessive level. I would not think it's a lot different from closing the throttle - going from 7->6krpm over 8ms is losing a lot of airflow (~14%) in a heck of a short time so the pressure in the intake is likely to rise.

If less air flows into the engine, then surely there's less air coming out of the engine so less going thorugh the exhaust also. Anyhow, don't some rally cars have some kind of anti-lag device anyway?

[My knowledge of the stutterbox is limited, but i am under the impression that the stutterbox is a steady-state thing whereby your revs are constant. You have a certain pressure in the intake and a steady flow into the engine. This is different to when you're trying to reduce engine speed over a short period of time.]

jetmn & machron1 or anyone else for that matter, like many have pointed out, this has spiralled waaay off topic, and I take some of the blame. If you'd like to continue this discussion, you can PM me.

For the pusposes of this thread, I'm pretty sure the DSG will be awesome in the X. I'd perfer it over the manual simply for the infallability of the thing and more continuous upshifts.

 

Wow this thread should be called Evo X news + how turbos work 101...

This is somewhat on topic though...because this is a news about the X thread...which is going to be offered with a sequential manual...and there is no NEW news...so we are discussing the finer points about what we know about the features featured in the old news, what are the pros/cons, etc. ...kinda like a halftime show...they talk about what the players had for lunch or whatever till they kick off again...

So here it goes, as long as the turbo is within its efficiency range, and so long as there is boost IN the system feeding the engine already...no problems...your engine is spinning slower so there's plenty of pressure to feed it all the way up through the revs again without interruption...plus your engine is instantly under more load in a higher gear so hotter exhaust gas so more volume of gas per rev (kinda like how it's way easier to build boost going uphill)...you have full boost...and everything is as it should be...but you'll never understand till you see it with your own eyeballs so please, if you could, find someone who has a VW GTI 2.0T with DSG (or something like it) and a boost gage and ask him/her to accelerate up the gears in full anger...then watch with amazement as the boost needle stays pegged or close to it, and all your lovely ideas about barometric pressure and the moon's gravitational pull fly out the window...

 

^ you have PM.

BTW, where the f*ck did I mention the moon's gravitational pull?

 

I think he was being facetious.

 

agreed