I guess this is the special something i need to experience myself to understand!

 

The DSG is the closest thing you can buy to the transmissions used in the WRC cars. It may even surpass them in some aspects. It would be a good idea for you to look up the videos on Youtube that explain how a DSG works.

But to summarize, the DSG *IS* a manual transmission. There is no torque converter, and you pick the gears. There is a [D] setting, I'm told, but this is merely the computer activating the shifts instead of you if you want it to. There are two clutches instead of one, and they alternate between gears.

Truly, if someone were to strip all the BS out of an automatic transmission and combine it with a true manual, you'd get a DSG.

Though I hope to get a manual Evo X, The DSG is by *FAR* preferable to an automatic transmission.

 

A true sports car has no more than 2 seats, a ragtop (if any top at all), rear wheel drive, and probably 3 wheels!

Fuel Injection is equally stupid. Metering in just the right amount of fuel is fun and gives a feeling of accomplishment when done perfectly.

 

I'm a bit older than the average EvoM member (55) so I can remember when EFI first came out. All the car enthusiasts of the day insisted that EFI was for sissies. Real performance cars had to have carburetors; and, top-of-the-line performance cars had more than one.

I have never heard anyone on this board wishing for manual fuel injectors (carbs), because automatic injectors (EFI) detract from the DIY driving experience. If we are content to let the computer (ECU) control the entire engine management experience, having a computer (TCU) control the transmission shifting process seems like the next logical step in the evolution of the Evolution.

IMO, the real question will depend on (1) how much power the DSG can handle, and (2) can it be upgraded? If the DSG can only handle 300hp and can't be upgraded, or will cost thousands to upgrade, it will not become popular. On the other hand, if the DSG can handle 450-500hp, or can easily and relatively inexpensively be upgraded, it will be immensely popular.

 

history repeats itself, eh?

 

I would go for DSG, so evenyone in the family can drive it.

 

Very interesting, I'll say it's a drivetrain mule. Good Catch!

 

The new MRs all cost well over $30K, even the GSR with the SSL trim is priced over $30K. Inflation alone would raise the price of the new model even if it stayed practically the same.
The new EVO X appears to be a better appointed car with features like cruise control, NAV, etc. The new DSG transmission and the new stability control will definitely raise the cost of production as well as the sale price. I doubt that any EVO X will be priced under $30K, and most will probably be close to $40K. I think it will be an awesome car from all standpoints. I just hope I can afford the price difference between my '05 MR and a new EVO X.

 

im just going to make my IX look really nice and fast and handle well. So that is 3 years from now it will be "legendary" compared to the new models out there. Sort of as if I were driving an evo IV or V or VI at the present time and we wooping VIII and IX

ya know? i think a very well kept older gen performance car is super sexy

 

F*CK Subaru

 

I'm sorry you feel that way. Whether you like it or not, the Evo wouldn't be what it is today if it weren't for competition from Subaru. And the STI wouldn't be what it is today if it weren't for competition from Mitsubishi.

No species can evolve if there is no outside pressure to do so. The STI and Evo may compete on the track, but off the track we're brothers-in-arms.

If you want to be angry at something, how about all the massive SUVs out there guzzling gas and pulluting the atmosphere through their 'truck' loophole? Or the morons in their little ricer buzzboxes that have made our wings a target for police? There's PLENTY to hate in this world, so there's no need to hate on your "brother."

 

Wow, you're trusting.

There are only three other people I will let drive my X. And that's only for a short test drive. Once theyget their time behind the wheel, the X is only mine to drive.

 

DSG for the family I'd only want DSG for that reason too. But i'm FULL MANUAL all the way. Full control fTw

 

Yeah I agree with the fact that if it weren't for competition, the R&D would be pretty much stale. Competition is what makes the engineers think of ways to be better than the other guys. Lancia, Audi, Toyota, Mitsubishi, Subaru, Ford, Citroen, Peugeot are what made the WRC advance and not become stagnant.

 

Most of the old/new comparisons in this argument - EFI vs carbs, and I saw crank vs electric starter yesterday - concern the mechanical function of the car, rather than the driving experience.

Like Jim, I also remember when fuel injection started appearing on 'normal' cars, and at least in my recollection (I'm only 33 ) it was seen by 'driving enthusiasts' as a performance enhancer, like a turbo or VTEC. Mechanics grumbled that they didn't have the same control, but to drivers it made no difference really (except their cars were faster and more reliable). It's not even comparable to the old ABS/non-ABS debate, since ABS makes no difference until you're in an emergency, whereas you're shifting all the time.

The parallel I see to DSG is the widespread introduction of syncromesh gearboxes (going back to maybe the '50s now). Enthusiasts had learnt to double-declutch, match revs perfectly and so on, and suddenly this new technology came along and did half the work for you. No internet back then of course but I bet there was resistance, and it was a true replacement - not an alternative like AT vs MT or RWD vs AWD vs FWD. Non-synchro boxes went the way of the dinosaur, except in racing applications, and probably the same will happen to manual boxes as DSG gains traction (ha ha).

For me personally, I've spent the best part of twenty years driving (synchro) manuals. With a DSG, I'd miss the simple physical involvement in driving, the application of the techniques I've spent so many years honing - 4th to 2nd rev-matched downshifts into a tight corner, nailing the perfect launch and so on.

I can see the attraction of it though, and I don't doubt that the automotive industry in general is headed that direction. So I'll be keeping my first-day 8, with its mechanical diffs, complete lack of tranny-related electronics and a drivetrain that I can largely understand and maintain.