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Old Oct 7, 2010 | 06:21 AM
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yeah your right bro, thats pretty much what I need to work on is my latencies, right now my scaling is at 750, it use to be 770. But im liking the low afrs because they fluctuate between 11-11.5. I just need to change up the latency because when I get a cold start going I lean up to 17+ so I have to give it a little gas for it to go to stoich.

cruise right now is at -2.66 for ltfts still want it closer to zero
dude, 2.66 is fine, well within the acceptable range. mine was at like 4 with all stock stuff, i wouldn't worry with it just tune timing to get rid of knock and fix any sort of idle issues.
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Old Oct 7, 2010 | 11:05 AM
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Stock evos have been known to go as high as +/-7
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Old Oct 8, 2010 | 01:08 AM
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OMG.... this timing issue trying me mad... its like I get knocks here and there and I lowered the timing so much, my afrs are good I just can't figure out eactly how to smooth it all out so I dont get these random knocks. on my little journey home from work tonight my highest count of knock is at 7... well its better than the 14 I had in the past couple days. I will post up these logs for yall to take a look. im not sure what the problem is

edit*** can backfire also cause the knock light to come on as well?
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Old Oct 8, 2010 | 01:40 AM
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actually heres what I did, besides me lowering the timing, I am going to gradually increase. Basically what roadspike told me was make your graph look smooth and pretty so when i checked my last map when I lowered the timing the graph looked smooth and had a dip which could have caused my knocks going like crazy each time. My graph looks smooth now so I will flash it tomorrow and let you guys know how it went.


Recompile said in the video. you cant have a timing go like 10, 5, 1, 0, -1, 0 -2, -3 and so on...

quote - logistics tells us that as rpms goes up timing has to go up as well. but as boost goes up timing has to be lowered. and he said something like you cant have a sudden jump in timing because if could affect your tune under weather conditions ect.... so basically change that negative one to a 0, and make the 0 after it a -1 so you can gradually go up in timing... would this be correct? this is what I did to help smooth out the graph.


sorry for all the words I got a little carried away
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Old Oct 8, 2010 | 10:00 AM
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all the knock is at like 3500 RPM and 150 load or so, do you want to post your recent rom and we can take a look at that?
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Old Oct 8, 2010 | 10:52 AM
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OMG.... this timing issue trying me mad... its like I get knocks here and there and I lowered the timing so much, my afrs are good I just can't figure out eactly how to smooth it all out so I dont get these random knocks. on my little journey home from work tonight my highest count of knock is at 7... well its better than the 14 I had in the past couple days. I will post up these logs for yall to take a look. im not sure what the problem is

edit*** can backfire also cause the knock light to come on as well?
A backfire will very much register on your knock count. Remember all the knock sensor is, is a microphone tuned to listen for distinct sharp noises aside from the normal operation noise so a backfire will cause a hell of a shock for the knock sensor.
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Old Oct 8, 2010 | 11:02 AM
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Yeah, and it almost looks like it's when he lets off of the throttle. Steven, are you letting off when you see the knock light, or are you letting off and then seeing the knock light?
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Old Oct 8, 2010 | 11:49 AM
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Yeah, and it almost looks like it's when he lets off of the throttle. Steven, are you letting off when you see the knock light, or are you letting off and then seeing the knock light?
its really kind of both, like when I get ready to shift into different gears it will just come up, or if I see the knock light at a high rpm I will let off
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Old Oct 8, 2010 | 01:58 PM
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I'd really like a look at the ROM you are using, to get a better idea of the Knock multipliers, the fuel table, the timing, etc etc....and the backfire, you're hearing a backfire sometimes?
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Old Oct 8, 2010 | 05:07 PM
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I'd really like a look at the ROM you are using, to get a better idea of the Knock multipliers, the fuel table, the timing, etc etc....and the backfire, you're hearing a backfire sometimes?
its mostly at wot around 4-5k or my powerband really just pm me you email and I will send it tonight when i get home. I took the motorcycle today
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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 02:16 PM
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hey all you turbo lancers, how did you set up your knock sensor filtering on your rom? I left mine stock but Hornstar brought up that it would have to be change to fit my car since its not an evo
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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 04:08 PM
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i just used the stock evo rom and it worked great for me.
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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 06:21 PM
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i just used the stock evo rom and it worked great for me.
Roadspike brought it up when 03lances was flashing the evo rom to his lancer. He said that the evo multipliers were slightly different, which was why 03 lances saw 10 counts of knock with the exact same timing as his base lancer map.

03lances was pulling like, way more timing than he had to with the base rom. still, if so mant dont change the knock stuff....then maybe its nothing. is there knock with that updated timing map stephen?

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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 08:21 PM
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i never encountered any of that high of knock with a base evo rom. car ran beautifully.

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Old Oct 11, 2010 | 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by HornstarBU
Roadspike brought it up when 03lances was flashing the evo rom to his lancer. He said that the evo multipliers were slightly different, which was why 03 lances saw 10 counts of knock with the exact same timing as his base lancer map.

03lances was pulling like, way more timing than he had to with the base rom. still, if so mant dont change the knock stuff....then maybe its nothing. is there knock with that updated timing map stephen?
if you sent me a rom updating my timing map then no I havent seen anything lol. Yeah I was seeing 10-12 counts of knock as well im curious to see what 03lance is running. It probably varies from car to car but if its a knock or not I still wont take the risk of ignoring it one slip up could cost me thousands.

I havent change the timing at all on the car. I get knocks here and there but there only a 3 count but if I can get the knock filter taken care of and see my actual knock then we can see the real knocks
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