Notices
The Loft / EvoM Car Talk Corner The landing pad for automotive discussions, news, articles, and opinions. A place for the community to kick back and chat.

New Supra Specs and Pricing

Old May 21, 2019 | 11:20 AM
  #166  
LetsGetThisDone's Avatar
EvoM Guru
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 15,973
Likes: 1,629
From: Las Vegas
So, it allegedly puts down a lot more than the rated hp and tq figures.


https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...LJSKT1T7DiMckU
Reply
Old May 21, 2019 | 11:21 AM
  #167  
kaj's Avatar
kaj
EvoM Community Team Leader
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (60)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 13,636
Likes: 824
From: Fresno, CA
Originally Posted by Construct
Don't get me wrong, I'm extremely happy that this car was made. In my mind, it's everything I wanted the 86 to be. Performance looks good, handling looks great, tuning potential looks good, and I think the $50K price is fair enough given the times.
I agree. Other than the trans, of course. Imagine how boring the 86 would be with paddle shifters.
It seems kinda like Toyota planned this to be heavily modified into a time attack/Japan GT car. Looking at how they've put together, anyway.
Reply
Old May 21, 2019 | 11:21 AM
  #168  
kaj's Avatar
kaj
EvoM Community Team Leader
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (60)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 13,636
Likes: 824
From: Fresno, CA
Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
So, it allegedly puts down a lot more than the rated hp and tq figures.


https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...LJSKT1T7DiMckU

I think most of us saw that coming. Sneaky LOL
Reply
Old May 21, 2019 | 11:39 AM
  #169  
LetsGetThisDone's Avatar
EvoM Guru
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 15,973
Likes: 1,629
From: Las Vegas
Originally Posted by kaj
I think most of us saw that coming. Sneaky LOL
Peak HP is very close to an M2. Makes a lot more torque.
Reply
Old May 21, 2019 | 11:49 AM
  #170  
kaj's Avatar
kaj
EvoM Community Team Leader
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (60)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 13,636
Likes: 824
From: Fresno, CA
Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
Peak HP is very close to an M2. Makes a lot more torque.
I'm pleasantly surprised. Maybe an agreement with BMW that it will "make less (advertised) power"? That torque is super impressive. Holy crap.
Reply
Old May 21, 2019 | 11:52 AM
  #171  
WarmMilk's Avatar
EvoM Guru
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Liked
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 3,061
Likes: 54
From: Federal Way, WA
Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
So, it allegedly puts down a lot more than the rated hp and tq figures.


https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...LJSKT1T7DiMckU
0-60 in 3.8... I don't think anyone is surprised
Reply
Old May 21, 2019 | 03:49 PM
  #172  
moparfan's Avatar
Evolved Member
 
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,066
Likes: 29
From: Tri-State NY/NJ/CT
Can bmw make toyota-reliable engines?
Reply
Old May 21, 2019 | 05:05 PM
  #173  
RS200's Avatar
Evolved Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 622
Likes: 118
From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
The B58 is a good motor, no question, and BMW underrates them similarly. The B58 in the 340i, etc typically make around 420whp with full bolt ons, and around 450 with full bolt-ons and meth. Expect lots of cars to be making that very shortly. The direct injection is a limiting factor past that though, so big(ger) power will need port fuel injection.
Reply
Old May 21, 2019 | 05:34 PM
  #174  
kaj's Avatar
kaj
EvoM Community Team Leader
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (60)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 13,636
Likes: 824
From: Fresno, CA
Originally Posted by moparfan
Can bmw make toyota-reliable engines?
They can, since Toyota went through the whole thing.
Reply
Old May 21, 2019 | 07:01 PM
  #175  
LetsGetThisDone's Avatar
EvoM Guru
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 15,973
Likes: 1,629
From: Las Vegas
Originally Posted by kaj
They can, since Toyota went through the whole thing.
That not how that works.
Reply
Old May 21, 2019 | 07:40 PM
  #176  
kaj's Avatar
kaj
EvoM Community Team Leader
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (60)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 13,636
Likes: 824
From: Fresno, CA
Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
That not how that works.
Maybe not, but it seems to have worked. BMW designed, Toyota tweaked. Works great.
Reply
Old May 21, 2019 | 09:07 PM
  #177  
WarmMilk's Avatar
EvoM Guru
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Liked
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 3,061
Likes: 54
From: Federal Way, WA
Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
That not how that works.
according to savagegeese, the toyota engineer told him thats how it works
Reply
Old May 21, 2019 | 09:20 PM
  #178  
LetsGetThisDone's Avatar
EvoM Guru
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 15,973
Likes: 1,629
From: Las Vegas
Originally Posted by warmmilk
according to savagegeese, the toyota engineer told him thats how it works
In don't Think Toyota went through the BMW engine, changed stuff, and then got BMW to manufacture bespoke parts for them.
Reply
Old May 21, 2019 | 11:45 PM
  #179  
WarmMilk's Avatar
EvoM Guru
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Liked
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 3,061
Likes: 54
From: Federal Way, WA
Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
In don't Think Toyota went through the BMW engine, changed stuff, and then got BMW to manufacture bespoke parts for them.
according to that youtube vid I posted above and his conversation with the Toyota engineer, BMW gave them an engine for Toyota to put through their durability testing, Toyota also took it all apart and made sure everything was up to their standards. He said they only changed a few small things, I don't recall him saying what they were. I guess its possible the engineer could have been blowing smoke up has a$$...

that being said, BMW engines, the actual engines, have mostly not really had any issues... its all the plastic and electric crap around them that causes all the problems.. the only BMW engine I can think of that had problems was the E92 V8 (and the M5 V10 counterpart). but I think that was down to the very thick oil spec'd for that engine and people not warming them up properly. The only problem their modern turbo engine had were the high pressure pumps on the early 335's... but that's been fixed for long time now...
Reply
Old May 22, 2019 | 04:52 AM
  #180  
RS200's Avatar
Evolved Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 622
Likes: 118
From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
High performance BMW engines have had issues like crazy. Rod bearings in the E46 M3, E90/92 M3, E60 M5, etc, Vanos issues, cooling systems that are wear items, Nikasil liners etc. The B58 is still new, and it may have its issues that need to be addressed.
Reply

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:22 PM.