Very nice chop. However, I like the looks of the Advan VII much better - and I'm a fan of the X.

I see 3 things that you are actually mad about there.

1 - The evo has an automatic trans. - It doesn't have an automatic trans, it has a DSG, as an option. The old fashioned 5/6spd is still there if you want it. In fact the Evo 7 had a model that came with a true automatic trans.

2 - It's based on the neon platform (the American Engineers comment). Last I checked the Evo's 7, 8 and 9 were based on the Lancer Cedia platform. Also last time I checked a base neon handled way better than a base lancer, in fact the neon was commended as being one of the great handling cars in it's price range. So it seems to me that the japanese engineers are going to be starting with a better base than previous 3 evos.

3 - Weight. You guess at 3400lbs and 330hp max (I don't think I've seen any reliable numbers yet). Currently we are at 3263lbs (Evo IX, no sunroof) with 286hp. So 3400/330hp would give us an improved power to weight ratio.

Just for fun I'll throw this in there too, the current pure, unmolested STi (according to subaru's website) weighs 3351lbs and has 293hp. So it's weight is right in your projected new Evo X weight range , and it's power is way down.

Daimler (a German Company) has no stock voting or otherwise in Mitsubishi. Mitsubishi deluted Daimlers shares 3 years ago Daimler got mad and sold what shares they had. Mitsubishi is primarily owned by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (a Japanese Company) Ironically Nissan has Renault (and the Government of France) as a major share holder with significant say.

I have no idea why you are talking about the dodge neon platform or the lancer platform? It has absolutely no relevance in this argument. Anyways, the Evo X will be 200lbs heavier than the Evo 9, so 3263 + 200 = 3463lbs. THE POWER TO WEIGHT ratio does NOT change handling capability, and thats why I am upset. The heavier the car, the crappier it handles. Chrysler (the morons who fabricated this new gi-normous chassis) decided that it would be a good idea to strengthen and stiffen up the chassis a little. Well they accomplished what they had hoped for however in the process they managed to ruin the entire car. SO now we have an Evo X with a new lightweight all aluminum engine, except instead of being lighter than the previous Evo's (which had heavy Iron block 4g63's) they are heavier by 200 lb's! Unfortunately, any real ethusiast will not be interested in the Evo X simply because its going to be a heavy piece of crapola and will have all the crx honda rice burners doing laps around it at the local circuit or auto X course.

Sorry if I appear hostile, but I am just pissed how digusting the new Evo looks on paper. For Mitsubishi's sake I hope they scrap the prototype and go with a more suitable chassis.

Thanks for clearing that up!

Everyone keeps forgetting about the new 2007 federal crash test requirements that have to be met by all. There is a reason why most new vehicles are getting heavier. The 2006 and older Evos/Lancers have had very poor crash test results...most notably in side impact. By law that isn't going to cut it anymore.

On top of that you have to consider the other improvements. SAWC weighs more than the old setup. The X gets active yaw control, active steering as well, and cruise control as well. The new interior is spiced up quite a bit and Im sure it adds to the weight also. The engine is alluminum now instead of iron so they get a bit of a reduction there......

Which leads me to the next thing. We haven't seen any official numbers yet. wtf is everyone thinking they can look at a picture of the X prototype and calculate its weight. Stop being ridiculous and wait for the official data and also the followup data from all the magazines, tuners, and testers.

The new Ferrari 599 GTB weighs over 3800lbs and its handling is on par with some of the best cars on the planet. Just wait for the data and then decide if you need to get pissed or not.

Wow, if you honestly beleive that a cars handling capabilities are attributed to nothing other than the weight of the car and a 6% difference (again, we are going off your made up number here) would RUIN the entire car then I think you have a lot to learn.

Your 1994 Toyota Tercel weighs 2005lbs, and your 2003 Evo weighs 3200+. Which handles better?

I can tell you now that my 3200+lbs Evo handles better than my previous 3200+lb evo (wonder how they managed that), my 3100lb WRX and my 2800lb audi.

Weight is a factor, but not the only factor.

My toyota out handles the Evo BY FAR (on the skidpad and on the autox course). However my Toyota doesn't do too well on anything with a straightaway =) 200lbs is ALOT of extra weight, and yes it does affect handling more than anything else. Because of this extra 200lbs, and the INCREASED overall height of the chassis, the new evo has a higher center of gravity than ever before, and will not be able to pull as many G's around a curve. This extra 200lbs will also decrease acceleration and deacceleration times. Of course suspension and bigger & better tires will help with handling, but you cannot defy the laws of physics. 200 extra pounds is 200 more pounds that you shouldn't have to sling around.

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I guess I was assuming stock for stock.. The tercel is on stock rims, street tires, and stock suspension\chassis except coilovers I presume.

1 - We don't know that it's 200lbs, but for sake of argument we can say it is.
2 - We do know that the new evo is going to be taller, but it's slight, and that does not mean that the center of gravity has increased. We know for example that the engine sits lower in the chassis than the old engine, so that would offset at least some of the taller roofline.
3 - We know nothing of the suspension design yet, it could be vastly improved over the old car.
4 - You hint at this. But we don't know that it doesn't come capable of fitting 305 wide tires stock. The current car is maxed out at a short 255 without needing coilovers and\or fender rolling. I examined every picture I could to get an idea of the tire size on that prototype. There isn't one.

So to say it will not handle as well is the current Evo is very premature.

Final point.. Surely the same 200lbs is 200lbs we shouldn't have to sling around argument could be made for the current evo. The Evo II weighed 2700lbs.. So we already have like 600lbs we should have to sling around.. Doesn't that make the current Evo ruined?

I seriously doubt the new evo will have the extremely low center of gravity the GTB has nor the 305/35-20 tires =) Just face it folks, the Evo is now dead.

The tercel is stock everything except 235mm wide front slicks, and I removed an additional 200lbs of weight from the car, so it really only weighs 1800lbs =) Low weight = fast turning car. I'm sure the tercel would be ALOT faster if it had a better suspension (it has a freaking solid axle rear!) and bigger tires but as the way it is now, even on street tires, I am able to take corners much faster than the Evo can. The 200 extra lbs on the Evo X is not going to do it any good!

I posted those photos two days ago.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...92174&page=188

that's a lot of pics that make me so glad I have an 05