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1 - We don't know that it's 200lbs, but for sake of argument we can say it is.
2 - We do know that the new evo is going to be taller, but it's slight, and that does not mean that the center of gravity has increased. We know for example that the engine sits lower in the chassis than the old engine, so that would offset at least some of the taller roofline.
3 - We know nothing of the suspension design yet, it could be vastly improved over the old car.
4 - You hint at this. But we don't know that it doesn't come capable of fitting 305 wide tires stock. The current car is maxed out at a short 255 without needing coilovers and\or fender rolling. I examined every picture I could to get an idea of the tire size on that prototype. There isn't one.
So to say it will not handle as well is the current Evo is very premature.
Final point.. Surely the same 200lbs is 200lbs we shouldn't have to sling around argument could be made for the current evo. The Evo II weighed 2700lbs.. So we already have like 600lbs we should have to sling around.. Doesn't that make the current Evo ruined?
2 - We do know that the new evo is going to be taller, but it's slight, and that does not mean that the center of gravity has increased. We know for example that the engine sits lower in the chassis than the old engine, so that would offset at least some of the taller roofline.
3 - We know nothing of the suspension design yet, it could be vastly improved over the old car.
4 - You hint at this. But we don't know that it doesn't come capable of fitting 305 wide tires stock. The current car is maxed out at a short 255 without needing coilovers and\or fender rolling. I examined every picture I could to get an idea of the tire size on that prototype. There isn't one.
So to say it will not handle as well is the current Evo is very premature.
Final point.. Surely the same 200lbs is 200lbs we shouldn't have to sling around argument could be made for the current evo. The Evo II weighed 2700lbs.. So we already have like 600lbs we should have to sling around.. Doesn't that make the current Evo ruined?
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i may be oversimplyfying this... but i am assuming that the added weight (if there is any) would be bad because of more bodyroll, as the hp increase should compensate in acceleration. if bodyroll is the main problem, would not the wider stance of the next gen evo fix this as well?
...this appears to be just another gripe with a car that does not exist yet...
...this appears to be just another gripe with a car that does not exist yet...
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The tercel is stock everything except 235mm wide front slicks, and I removed an additional 200lbs of weight from the car, so it really only weighs 1800lbs =) Low weight = fast turning car. I'm sure the tercel would be ALOT faster if it had a better suspension (it has a freaking solid axle rear!) and bigger tires but as the way it is now, even on street tires, I am able to take corners much faster than the Evo can. The 200 extra lbs on the Evo X is not going to do it any good!
The original creator of the Evo X/Lancer/Caliber chassis was Mitsu. Than later the chassis was CO-DEVELOPED between Daimler/Chrysler and Mitsubishi. Later on during the development they split up. Daimler/Chrysler further developed the chassis on their own to their own specs and the same can be said for Mitsu.
Just saw your above post and it seems you do understand that the Evo got faster, but heavier in the same time. Why are you comparing a modified older Evo to a newer stock Evo? That's just lame. Apples to apples man.
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Your Tercel is not stock. We are talking about stock for stock comparisons here. Your point is not valid. Like what the above poster said about the Evo II is true. Even though that the Evo 9 is heavier than the previous Evos, the Evo 9 is faster than almost all the olders ones. As the Evo "Evolved", yes it got heavier, but the drivetrain got more advanced, the power went up, the tires got wider and gained more grip, so therefore got faster. Look up the performance stats for the previous Evos and you will see.
The original creator of the Evo X/Lancer/Caliber chassis was Mitsu. Than later the chassis was CO-DEVELOPED between Daimler/Chrysler and Mitsubishi. Later on during the development they split up. Daimler/Chrysler further developed the chassis on their own to their own specs and the same can be said for Mitsu.
Just saw your above post and it seems you do understand that the Evo got faster, but heavier in the same time. Why are you comparing a modified older Evo to a newer stock Evo? That's just lame. Apples to apples man.
The original creator of the Evo X/Lancer/Caliber chassis was Mitsu. Than later the chassis was CO-DEVELOPED between Daimler/Chrysler and Mitsubishi. Later on during the development they split up. Daimler/Chrysler further developed the chassis on their own to their own specs and the same can be said for Mitsu.
Just saw your above post and it seems you do understand that the Evo got faster, but heavier in the same time. Why are you comparing a modified older Evo to a newer stock Evo? That's just lame. Apples to apples man.
Here's why i don't like the X...
1.) i think the front looks like a Neon, TSX, and an Audi had a fat orgy and that's what popped out.
2.) i think the tail lights look like they don't belong on the car. By that i mean it looks like someone did a tail light conversion on it even though it's stock. The body lines around the tail lights don't match up, there is too much extra room, they're placed too high, and if you look at how it wraps around to the back from a side shot it definately looks like a garage ***** show car tail light conversion.
3.) i think the widebody fenders don't go at all with that new Acura/BMW lookinfg line along the side that comes from the vent on the front fender. Those lines don't match up either. Once agian i think it ldoes not look stock, but like someone took a car with a body that had the line across the doors and added widbody box fenders.
THIS IS JUST MY OPINION ON WHY I DON'T LIKE THE LOOKS OF THE CAR...I'll reserve judgment about performance until after it's released, tried and tested.
1.) i think the front looks like a Neon, TSX, and an Audi had a fat orgy and that's what popped out.
2.) i think the tail lights look like they don't belong on the car. By that i mean it looks like someone did a tail light conversion on it even though it's stock. The body lines around the tail lights don't match up, there is too much extra room, they're placed too high, and if you look at how it wraps around to the back from a side shot it definately looks like a garage ***** show car tail light conversion.
3.) i think the widebody fenders don't go at all with that new Acura/BMW lookinfg line along the side that comes from the vent on the front fender. Those lines don't match up either. Once agian i think it ldoes not look stock, but like someone took a car with a body that had the line across the doors and added widbody box fenders.
THIS IS JUST MY OPINION ON WHY I DON'T LIKE THE LOOKS OF THE CAR...I'll reserve judgment about performance until after it's released, tried and tested.
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Apples to apples? Hmmm OK. My point is this. If someone made a LIGHTWEIGHT chassis with all of the Evo's tricked out features (bad *** suspension, huge sticky tires, electronic awd, huge brakes, gobs of turbo power) except the total car weighed 2700lbs instead of 3400lbs, it would the sickest car ever. Sadly, instead of a sporty chassis, Chrysler came up with something more along the lines of a small SUV.
Who made the chassis is wrong though. It's a Mitsu creation. The main reason that it's going to be heavier is the safety stuff like airbags. A heavier chassis is also safer. According to todays standards cars just need to be heavier and have safety stuff. There is no way around it unless the whole chassis is made out of aluminum or carbon fiber, but that will be impossible, too much cost.