Its funny because the hardcore were like the Evo 7/8 is garbage, the Evo X is garbage, the evo IV was garbage too not realizing how much of a garbage can the evo I was rofl.

I suppose wallowing body roll and poor transition is all a part of the first year expectation hahahahhahahhahahaha

Its my money and I want it now, the rent is too damn high party, I saw it on facebook!

 

guess what, Ford is a business, purpose of a business is to make money, marketing like this will generate the most interest, therefore make the most money...

Ken Block will sell a sh*t ton more cars then a 'ring time. and then there's the whole speed limit thing at the 'ring now, so no more 'ring times for anything in the foreseeable future

honestly I stopped caring much about this car since I found out all power over stock will be going to the front axle only

 

I am pretty sure the speed limits really only affect truly fast cars, not sure if the Focus RS could even hit the speed limits that were put in place.

Anyways, the limits are getting lifted in 2016 after the track changes http://www.autoblog.com/2015/08/18/n...s-lifted-2016/

All new lap records incoming.

 

I'm about there also. The 2015 mustang has been catching my eye...lol

 

I think on page 20 of this thread many months ago I laughed that every body was making fully formed opinions of a car that wasn't even out yet, zero people have driven outside of Ford (minus Ken Block) and 99.9% haven't even seen in real life.

I'll say it again, on page 79 and months later.

How on earth can any body in this thread say the car is a let down? Some of you guys ARE sounding like automotive hipsters...

 

To me, no weight reduction, no flared fenders, limited (and not terribly exciting) colors, no stripped down base model, and 100% of power going to the front wheels until slippage is detected (if thats true) are all let downs.

 

The people that cannot seem to get over the way Haldex works and dismisses it on the grounds that they think the whole shifting of power thing is working hasn't actually driven a newer haldex equipped car. It's far from a let down and it's not even perceptible.

This attitude against the theory of how haldex works and therefore feels sounds like when my dad used to grumble when watches changed from analog to digital. "Get off my lawn!"

I said this before too. If you don't expect a Evo, then expectations change. Very few cars are like the Evo. The Golf R has no flared fenders, no weight reduction compared to the GTi and it's a great car, if you shift your mindset.

Honestly if you are looking for a "raw" car in this day and age, I think you are looking in the wrong segment to be honest. Those days are long gone. The Evo was the last of its breed.

You are going to have to look at Lotus, etc for that now or have the ability to compromise. I think my Fiesta ST is engaging and raw and I really like it. If I dismissed it based on it being a FWD car then it would have been my loss.

Internet forums are the biggest piles of **** sometimes.

 

Calm down, man. Its just bench racing. Forums are for people to talk and that's what we're doing, based on the limited info we have. Everyone is just tossing around theory and speculation.
Remember all the "what-ifs" before the X came out? That was all harmless too.

 

That's easy because people have preferences.

This is a car that had great potential in my mind and its really not panning out to be what I thought it would have. That is not a hipster posture at all its just preference.

I personally don't like the X modified and as a stock daily commute or even long road trip car is ok. From stock to race trim changes the dynamics so much its not pleasurable to drive (again my preference).

I thought the RS would have been like the 02-04 RS that was light and aggressive while still meeting the market recognizable silhouette + AWD this new RS is not that.

I know what I personally like or would probably dislike that doesn't mean I need to drive it and intuitively have been right the great majority of the time. Some cars I have been surprised I liked so much and others are no surprise that I didn't. We would all be driving something different if we had the opportunity or the $$$ so saying we are hipsters because we show preference or waning preference is a little unfair or overly judgmental wouldn't you agree?

 

Seriously.. If it weren't for speculation and bench racing based on even the limited information, then this thread would be about 2 pages long.

From what Ive seen, opinions arent even "ford sucks" or any of that crap. Its just based on what we can see or read on the interwebs. All in good fun, if its not fun for you then why do you care (Not Kaj, razorlab)?

 

Somehow, I find the CTR interesting. I like the idea of a presumably less breakage-prone FWD driveline. And the fact that it did do a blistering Ring time.

 

 

I used to own an Integra type R for number of years. I can tell you firsthand they are amazing and don't drive how most people expect the front wheel drive car to. with the amount of rotation and induced oversteer you could hardly tell. personally, I would have no problems owning a civic type R.

 

this escalated quickly

 

YEP! I had one as well to replace my moms e55 that I wrecked and I was so pleasantly surprised I should have kept is.