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The way razor lab described, I don't think that will be so bad. The rear already gets up to 70% of stock power levels, or 240hp, so the front gets 100hp when the Haldex is full locked. So you can increase power by about 140hp and keep a 50/50 bias with the stock Haldex. And what the one guy said about that being the max the rear can handle is a bit "off". Manufacturers never run components at 100% of their rated capacity. So, I'm sure Haldex tuning will be able to make the car do quite well in the mid 400's whp...
In my experience, the Ford engineer is likely talking about their internal requirements. Meaning in the future, don't expect the Ford RS to gain more power without having different drivetrain components... which means, the RS will have the same power figure for quite sometime IMO, or marginally more.
Often times vehicles are developed for their power ratings by the END of their life cycle when a full refresh happens. The OE wants to utilize their investment wisely.
How much margin do you really think the Evo had internally to Mitsubishi requirements? We could say this about many vehicles, not all tests are judged the same, not all OE's have the same tests. I'm sure the RS is no exception, within 6 months of its release there will be 500whp stock block cars (I guessing)
I once spoke to a calibrations engineer who worked on the Hellcat... he told me how much power the engine could make over the 707 rating and still pass their requirements.... it was a lot.
This article is worth the read for anyone interested in the pros and cons of full-time awd vs haldex based systems http://www.rallycars.com/Cars/4wd_turbo_cars.html
I think too many people are getting hung up on this "can't take anymore power" in the wrong way.
In my experience, the Ford engineer is likely talking about their internal requirements. Meaning in the future, don't expect the Ford RS to gain more power without having different drivetrain components... which means, the RS will have the same power figure for quite sometime IMO, or marginally more.
Often times vehicles are developed for their power ratings by the END of their life cycle when a full refresh happens. The OE wants to utilize their investment wisely.
How much margin do you really think the Evo had internally to Mitsubishi requirements? We could say this about many vehicles, not all tests are judged the same, not all OE's have the same tests. I'm sure the RS is no exception, within 6 months of its release there will be 500whp stock block cars (I guessing)
I once spoke to a calibrations engineer who worked on the Hellcat... he told me how much power the engine could make over the 707 rating and still pass their requirements.... it was a lot.
In my experience, the Ford engineer is likely talking about their internal requirements. Meaning in the future, don't expect the Ford RS to gain more power without having different drivetrain components... which means, the RS will have the same power figure for quite sometime IMO, or marginally more.
Often times vehicles are developed for their power ratings by the END of their life cycle when a full refresh happens. The OE wants to utilize their investment wisely.
How much margin do you really think the Evo had internally to Mitsubishi requirements? We could say this about many vehicles, not all tests are judged the same, not all OE's have the same tests. I'm sure the RS is no exception, within 6 months of its release there will be 500whp stock block cars (I guessing)
I once spoke to a calibrations engineer who worked on the Hellcat... he told me how much power the engine could make over the 707 rating and still pass their requirements.... it was a lot.
This article is worth the read for anyone interested in the pros and cons of full-time awd vs haldex based systems http://www.rallycars.com/Cars/4wd_turbo_cars.html
There is absolutely zero data in that article.
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The way razor lab described, I don't think that will be so bad. The rear already gets up to 70% of stock power levels, or 240hp, so the front gets 100hp when the Haldex is full locked. So you can increase power by about 140hp and keep a 50/50 bias with the stock Haldex. And what the one guy said about that being the max the rear can handle is a bit "off". Manufacturers never run components at 100% of their rated capacity. So, I'm sure Haldex tuning will be able to make the car do quite well in the mid 400's whp...
It hasn't done that in any previous iterations of the haldex in any platform, no reason to believe it will do it in the Ford..
It's courtesy in the industry not to announce exact information publicly given in private.
However, I can tell you than generally if the vehicle was introduced in the low 700hp range, there is some margin to increase for future MMC models.. and I'm saying there is a lot of margin.
Looking at some youtube vids of stock hellcats + tune will give you ideas.
However, I can tell you than generally if the vehicle was introduced in the low 700hp range, there is some margin to increase for future MMC models.. and I'm saying there is a lot of margin.
Looking at some youtube vids of stock hellcats + tune will give you ideas.
It's courtesy in the industry not to announce exact information publicly given in private.
However, I can tell you than generally if the vehicle was introduced in the low 700hp range, there is some margin to increase for future MMC models.. and I'm saying there is a lot of margin.
Looking at some youtube vids of stock hellcats + tune will give you ideas.
However, I can tell you than generally if the vehicle was introduced in the low 700hp range, there is some margin to increase for future MMC models.. and I'm saying there is a lot of margin.
Looking at some youtube vids of stock hellcats + tune will give you ideas.
Its interesting that they had a number of AWD vehicles available with decades of refinement over and over but thought their focus was sooooo much better but still needed significant development.
- I got kinda turned off that they tried to pass off "engine problems" and further bandaid it with octane booster because of poor quality (95 ron) fuel on a test motor. So if you get stuck with 91oct US fuel and throw some octane booster in the car will be good to go? I am not a chemist or an engineer but I would be inclined to say no.
Something is up my peeps...
http://www.topgear.com/car-news/hot-...-yes-it-drifts
they even add the pops and bangs tune if i am reading it right... If that is true they try to connecting so hard to the rally roots of this car, they even adding the sound effect too. Oh boy how wrong i was on that pages and pages ago about the RS and rally, doesn't it? I wonder how people will react on that tune, since i have that tune in my car, and people were wondering in this forum only, why? lol
they even add the pops and bangs tune if i am reading it right... If that is true they try to connecting so hard to the rally roots of this car, they even adding the sound effect too. Oh boy how wrong i was on that pages and pages ago about the RS and rally, doesn't it? I wonder how people will react on that tune, since i have that tune in my car, and people were wondering in this forum only, why? lol
Last edited by Robevo RS; Oct 29, 2015 at 09:04 AM.