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According to sources within Mitsubishi, the new Evo X is having trouble making 300HP on the pump gas in the US.
http://www.allpar.com/mopar/world-engine.html
Mitsu should do this anyway since the X is bigger and heavier than the IX. More pounds, more cubes, more torque and hp. And the extra 400cc wouldn't add even 1 pound to the already too much weight.
I suppose they would still have to build a certain number of 2 liter cars to make it legal in group N, but they could do what Subaru does - sell the big engine here in the US, sell the 2 liter somewhere else (where they have better gas).
Extra bonus, we wouldn't have to pay Eric Hsu buckets of money to build us stroker engines. They'd already be stroked.
I think the fact people are comparing a $30k sedan to a $45k sports car says enough about the Evo right there!
Looks are subjective... so I won't get into that.
And I dunno why you're comparing a 2 passenger car to a 5 passenger...
But the Evo has already sold many times over in the high 30's. The 05-06 MR had an MSRP of $38k usually. Add tax and you're looking at $40k. And several 05 owners were paying markups in the mid 45k range.
Heck, when I bought my 03, I seen markups of 5-10k at several dealerships - making it 39999.
Have you driven the 05+ Vettes? I have, and decided against getting one because of the ride. I was coming from an STi at the time, and the testdrive in the Vette was very very rough over the sames roads I drove locally. I walked away even though they were going new for < $40k.
The 2008 vette will be in the 430hp range.. and you can get these cars with the z51 for low 40s. The exotic looks alone are worth 10K over the value of the evo so I really cant see how the X hopes to sell in the high 30s. It will not be a bang for your buck performance car anymore.
And I dunno why you're comparing a 2 passenger car to a 5 passenger...
But the Evo has already sold many times over in the high 30's. The 05-06 MR had an MSRP of $38k usually. Add tax and you're looking at $40k. And several 05 owners were paying markups in the mid 45k range.
Heck, when I bought my 03, I seen markups of 5-10k at several dealerships - making it 39999.
Have you driven the 05+ Vettes? I have, and decided against getting one because of the ride. I was coming from an STi at the time, and the testdrive in the Vette was very very rough over the sames roads I drove locally. I walked away even though they were going new for < $40k.
Last edited by boomn29; Mar 24, 2007 at 07:12 AM.
who cares, all this will be is a "Turbo Caliber". chrysler teamed up with Mitsubishi to create the same "4g64 turbo" engine crap. that's why real good Jap cars never make it to the US cause "we" always find a way to screw them up.
ask yourself this: why did it take the EVO up to the 8 to make it to the US when EVO's have been around for almost 20 years everywhere else?????
ask yourself this: why did it take the EVO up to the 8 to make it to the US when EVO's have been around for almost 20 years everywhere else?????
Eric Hsu says, regarding the horsepower problem:
I think the 2.4 liter would be the way to go.
Then it would be like this: The car is about 9% or 10% heavier than the IX. The 2.4 engine would have 20% more displacement without adding more weight. Nothing wrong with that!
Trouble getting 300hp? Hah. With the 2.4 in Evo tune, they could have 330hp no problem, plus a boatload of extra torque - even with our crappy gas, no need for help from Cosworth.
Why let Dodge be the only one using the big turbo engine? It should go in the Evo. The Dodge will be more conservative, rated at 300hp. The Evo would be the wild one at around 330hp. Just as it should be!
http://www.allpar.com/mopar/world-engine.html
"I’m working on camshafts already at Cosworth."
Then it would be like this: The car is about 9% or 10% heavier than the IX. The 2.4 engine would have 20% more displacement without adding more weight. Nothing wrong with that!
Trouble getting 300hp? Hah. With the 2.4 in Evo tune, they could have 330hp no problem, plus a boatload of extra torque - even with our crappy gas, no need for help from Cosworth.
Why let Dodge be the only one using the big turbo engine? It should go in the Evo. The Dodge will be more conservative, rated at 300hp. The Evo would be the wild one at around 330hp. Just as it should be!
http://www.allpar.com/mopar/world-engine.html
there is already a 2.4l version of the 4B11 but its called the 4B12, so dont think thats an option.
Mitsubishi GEMA engines
The Mitsubishi GEMA engines are a range of all-alloy straight-4 engines built at Mitsubishi's Japanese powertrain plant in Shiga on the basis of Global Engine Manufacturing Alliance (GEMA). Although the basic designs of the various engines are the same, their exact specifications are individually tailored for each partner.
4B11
Specifications
Engine type — Inline 4 cylinder DOHC 16v, MIVEC
Displacement — 2.0 L
Bore — 86 mm
Stroke — 86 mm
Power — 112 kW (152 PS) at 6000 rpm
Torque — 198 N·m (146 ft·lbf) at 4250 rpm
Applications
2008 Mitsubishi Lancer
4B11T
Specifications
Engine type — Inline 4 cylinder DOHC 16v, Turbo MIVEC
Displacement — 2.0 L
Bore — 86 mm
Stroke — 86 mm
Power — ?? kW (?? PS) at ?? rpm
Torque — ?? N·m (?? ft·lbf) at ?? rpm
Applications
2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart (detuned)
4B12
Specifications
Engine type — Inline 4 cylinder DOHC 16v, MIVEC
Displacement — 2.4 L
Bore — 88 mm
Stroke — 97 mm
Power — 125 kW (170 PS) at 6000 rpm
Torque — 226 N·m (167 ft·lbf) at 4100 rpm
Applications
2006 Mitsubishi Outlander
Mitsubishi GEMA engines
The Mitsubishi GEMA engines are a range of all-alloy straight-4 engines built at Mitsubishi's Japanese powertrain plant in Shiga on the basis of Global Engine Manufacturing Alliance (GEMA). Although the basic designs of the various engines are the same, their exact specifications are individually tailored for each partner.
4B11
Specifications
Engine type — Inline 4 cylinder DOHC 16v, MIVEC
Displacement — 2.0 L
Bore — 86 mm
Stroke — 86 mm
Power — 112 kW (152 PS) at 6000 rpm
Torque — 198 N·m (146 ft·lbf) at 4250 rpm
Applications
2008 Mitsubishi Lancer
4B11T
Specifications
Engine type — Inline 4 cylinder DOHC 16v, Turbo MIVEC
Displacement — 2.0 L
Bore — 86 mm
Stroke — 86 mm
Power — ?? kW (?? PS) at ?? rpm
Torque — ?? N·m (?? ft·lbf) at ?? rpm
Applications
2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart (detuned)
4B12
Specifications
Engine type — Inline 4 cylinder DOHC 16v, MIVEC
Displacement — 2.4 L
Bore — 88 mm
Stroke — 97 mm
Power — 125 kW (170 PS) at 6000 rpm
Torque — 226 N·m (167 ft·lbf) at 4100 rpm
Applications
2006 Mitsubishi Outlander




