i dont care who you are....the x looks sweet.........cant wait till to see one on the road

 

Better Torque control for low-traction driving off the track.

How hard with the DSG shift? Will you be able to slip the clutch to maintain traction on ice? Can you drive it around town without giving your passengers sore necks?

If the answer to all of these questions is "Leave it in D" then I certainly don't want a DSG. I *ENJOY* driving a stickshift. I picked up an '86 Toyota Corolla instead of repairing my old Lincoln Mk 8 because it is a LOT more fun to drive. My first three cars were Manual, then I spent 4 years in cars with Automatics. Now that I'm back to a manual, I'm never going back. It's so much more fun for me to DRIVE a manual.

The only time I may wish for an automatic would be for bumper-to-bumper traffic. But that is just because I worry about wear on the clutch. Otherwise I have no problem working the clutch in traffic.

 

If we were talking about a transmission like the one from your old Lincoln Mk. 8 I'd agree with you, but we're not. You've obviously never driven a DSG.

As for those with durability concerns, first look at the problems people have with the current Evo manual trans, and then check out the Bugatti Veyron with roughly 1000hp and torque running to all 4 wheels through a DSG with a 2 year/24mo. warranty!

Yes, the unit in most VWs now isn't up to major hp and why should it be? Obviously, the DSG style transmission can be built to any spec, so the question is, will Mitsubishi choose to build it strong, or just strong enough for stock as VW does?

 

Comparing the Veyron DSG, made by Ricardo, to the VW DSG, made by Borg Warner, is like comparing a Ferrari to a Fiat and proclaiming them both to be great cars because they're Italian.

 

You're right, I haven't. However, the closest I'll be able to try will be the VW DSG, and the new Mitsu DSG will be different. It's tough to justify rolling the dice on something like that, when I know I'll enjoy the manual. It would royally suck to be out 35K and be stuck with a car I don't enjoy driving.

If I can get a test drive in a VW DSG, or if a miracle happens and a Mitsu dealership has an Evo with DSG for test drives, maybe it'll change my mind.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not putting down the DSG, hell I'd LOVE one for racing on the track, I'm just stating why I would buy a Manual over the DSG.

 

I just feel that next year you will see everyone driving an EVO because of the new transmission (this I feel will hurt resale value)

Just wait and see

What else can the reason be to make it in auto/stick?

Other examples are exotic cars Ferrari, Lambo etc.
Why are they using paddle shifts? Because not everyone can drive stick and they needed to open the market up to new buyers.
Just try to think about 10-15 years ago how many exotic cars did you see on the road? not many, now they are a dime a dozen.

WOW this post really took off

 

Hopefully after about a year they will come out with a regular stick shift EVO

 

I'm sure a stick will be available from the start. It will probably be a little slower, though.

Guys, think of the DSGs as a standard without the clutch. Pretty much everything you can do with a standard, you can do with a DSG, just a little better.

 

It's all but confirmed there with be a manual option.

Except modulate the clutch, disconnect the engine from the driveline briefly to maximize traction, start in 2nd, perform a bootlegger's turn (depends), or even rev at the guy next to you while rolling.

Now on the track, none of that is needed, which makes the DSG a must-have for anyone who primarily tracks their EVO X. But for me, I don't want to give up that level of control. (Especially in the snow! ) And the more I think of it, the more I think I'd dislike always being in gear.

Here's another question about the DSG: Anyone know if the paddles will turn with the wheel, or if they are mounted to the column?

 

Draco - You can do all that but modulate the clutch in the DSGs I've driven, although I have no idea what a bootleggers turn is. It is a standard transmission without a clutch pedal.

 

A bootlegger's Turn can be done with and auto, and so potentially a DSG, but you'd have to be able to go Reverse, Neutral, 1st in that order. (A bootlegger's turn is where you reverse quickly, and then cut the wheel, swinging the front around 180 degrees and continuing in the same direction but forward. it's called a bootlegger's turn because during prohibition, the rumrunners would use this to get away from roadblocks.)

Well, I'll have to try and test drive something with a DSG. I just don't see how I could 'hold the clutch in' on a car without a clutch.

Say I was in 3rd gear on the snow and started to oversteer around a corner. With a manual, I would be able to push in the clutch, eliminating all torque to the wheels, and regain traction. Then I could let the clutch out again and continue in 3rd gear. How would I accomplish this with a DSG? I assume that the DSG keeps the clutch(es) engaged when you let off the gas, or you wouldn't be able to compression brake for a turn. So this would mean, in the example above, that the engine would be dragging on the wheels which could upset the car further.

(Now most of this example is moot because of S-AWC, but I am curious how a DSG-equipped car should be driven in the above example.)

 

Yeah, definiately roadevo..... I am planning to buy an evo soon, and now I am worried that I wont find a IX MR with no miles on it by august......... if I don't have one by then, then I will hope that the new evo will offer stick. I cannot imagine not having a stick car because of the control you have over the power, plus having a manual car will prevent me from doing stupid things like talking on my cell phone or falling asleep after a long day.....I know that stuff sounds like no-brainers, but s**t happens......
Lets all hope that the new Evo will have stick and DSG so that we can test them out before we buy. I am definately open to a DSG that is as good as the ones I have tried in the Audis and VWs.....

 

If you find people like me with no evo IX MR by august then I probably be willing to pay 5 grand extra over the new sticker for your car.....

 

Not being able to keep the car in boost between shifts is what will slow the manual box down and probably have worse numbers than the AMT


Saturn Sky Redline(turbo) is .5 s quicker 0-60 with the automatic gear box rather than the shifter

 

Just change your driving style. Is that so hard?